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Old 01-12-2014, 05:33 PM
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I just removed this from my '86.5. Probably used less than 5000 miles. Comes with necessary bolts, bushings and a Momo shift ****. Just add your shift boot.

Asking $125, shipped (USA only) - please email me at genikz@yahoo.com if interested







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Old 01-12-2014, 06:10 PM
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What made you decide to remove it? What did you replace it with?
Old 01-12-2014, 06:23 PM
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Also why is it upside down?
Old 01-12-2014, 07:02 PM
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@Fabio421 - it's very precise, but I'm not patient enough for it. The reduced throw had me grinding 2nd from time to time on the track. I'm trying a stock shift lever with the 928 MS shifter ball cup. Call me old fashioned, but I actually like the super long throw. I think I start to move the lever before the clutch pedal is fulling depressed, so it fits my driving style better.

@Colin - it was mounted correctly. I just wanted to bolt it together as to not lose any parts. Very well made setup BTW. That thing would have outlasted the car.
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I'll take it. Email sent.
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I drove one of these last week, on a clients car.

Way too short for my tastes. I couldn't find the gears. I'm a big boy with a bunch of hand and arm strength and I found myself struggling to shift the gears straight back and forth. You think about moving the lever from side to side and you are in the wrong position.

I want more feel and throw in my go-cart, where the shift sliders are weighed in grams.

Something with about three times that amount of throw would be very nice, for my tastes.
Old 01-12-2014, 11:52 PM
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SOLD!
Old 01-13-2014, 12:00 AM
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When properly shifting, and properly installed/broken in, there is only a very minimal increase in shifting force.
But I do state, it is not for everyone. It does have a very gated feel, and the throw is drastically reduced.
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It's like a "click, click, click" engagement feel right? I like that feel. When i road tested the S2K in my avatar the shifter felt like that and i loved it. Precise, surgical almost.
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Alcantara boot?
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Originally Posted by 17prospective buyer
Alcantara boot?
Yes, or a very good imitation.
In any case, proven to be good for -1 sec/lap at VIR
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It took me a little while but I do like my Lizard shifter, especially after the trans has warmed up...
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That video demo is interesting. With my Lizard shifter install, there's no way I can use two fingers to shift, even when the trans is warm. It's very mechanical and direct, but requires some muscle and a firm grip on the shifter.

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Originally Posted by Lizard928
When properly shifting, and properly installed/broken in, there is only a very minimal increase in shifting force.
But I do state, it is not for everyone. It does have a very gated feel, and the throw is drastically reduced.
I come from a mechanical racing background and might judge things from that perspective.

For me, this is a "I want to think my car is a race car" shifter....."the shorter and the stiffer it is, the more I feel like a Formula One driver".

The other obvious problem is that the stock shifter was attached to the torque tube....which was brilliant. As the engine and drivetrain moves around in the chassis, under G-forces, the shifter moved with it, which makes the "next gear" location very predicable in relationship to where the shifter is, when the shift movement is started.

With this shifter, which is now attached to the chassis, as the entire drivetrain shifts around in the chassis (under G-forces), the relationship of the gear pattern to the shifter is also going to move (this was a huge problem with the 964 race cars.......they were frequently shifted into the wrong gear, resulting in clutch, transmission, and engine destruction.) This, combined with the tiny amount of movement this shifter provides, is going to result in a much higher ratio of "incorrectly selected" gears.

From a "Crew Chief" perspective....way to short. And because of the high effort required to shift the transmission, almost all feedback "feel" from the transmission is lost.

In endurance racing (multiple drivers), drivers are frequently allowed to bring their own special preferences to the vehicle. These people are generally paying for the opportunity to drive the car and we try to make them as comfortable as possible. However, it's up to the crew chief to determine if these "preferences" are going to work for all of the other drivers and also allow the car to finish the race. I've had multiple things attached to various race cars, over my life. And, more than a few of these ended up in the trash can, before the race started.....without any discussion with the driver that brought that "preference".

Sorry to say, this would be one of those things.

(If possible to find, ESPN ran out of things to say, one dark night at Daytona (1997?), and they simply cut to the inside of the car I was Crew Chief for, and just followed Kelly Collin's driving for many laps. This video should be the "primer" for all drivers. Kelly Collins footwork and shifting techniques are inspirational and textbook. He is shifting the car with two fingers...."feeling" the car into each gear change. This is the way race cars should work and should be driven.)

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