VEMS PnP
#16
Rainman
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Even a "cheap" standalone setup (like Megasquirt) is going to run in the $1000 ballpark after you get everything you need, can be less if you're junkyard savvy and willing to do 100% of your work and tuning. Or don't pimp it out with stuff like different coils and injectors.
Getting a dyno tune is $500 around here for spark and fuel maps (reputable place). If VEMS comes with a tune already set up (by a reputable dude, which Raceboy is) AND it's PnP, in my eyes it's worth at least $1750, maybe more, depending how important PnP is to you. You have just have to be bothered to spend the cash.
Getting a dyno tune is $500 around here for spark and fuel maps (reputable place). If VEMS comes with a tune already set up (by a reputable dude, which Raceboy is) AND it's PnP, in my eyes it's worth at least $1750, maybe more, depending how important PnP is to you. You have just have to be bothered to spend the cash.
I'll run it in auto-tune for fueling adjustments for a while to get it really working well. I'll adjust timing on the dyno if desired.
#17
Rennlist Member
My VEMS, fully configured and built to plug into my car's DME harness plug, along with some other extra bits and including a base 944 tune and endless tuning help, came in at about $1200 delivered to me. The only part I need to source to install it, is a 2-wire ISV.
I'll run it in auto-tune for fueling adjustments for a while to get it really working well. I'll adjust timing on the dyno if desired.
I'll run it in auto-tune for fueling adjustments for a while to get it really working well. I'll adjust timing on the dyno if desired.
#18
Rainman
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
No, it's a Plug and Play so as it ships it is designed for stock 944 ignition/fuel injection system...those things can be changed later with further modification.
I believe Boost control comes with VEMS but it's not something I've looked into as I don't have a turbo.
The extra bits I got were added wires and stuff since my car is an early NA and doesn't have ISV plug and some other stuff.
I believe Boost control comes with VEMS but it's not something I've looked into as I don't have a turbo.
The extra bits I got were added wires and stuff since my car is an early NA and doesn't have ISV plug and some other stuff.
#19
Instructor
V2Rocket, i paid something similar for vems pnp with bd, wbo2, afm delete(replacement pipes with MAP sensor, new tps (stock tps will not work), also for cat installation and weldings. (cat i bought separately myself) and full conf and dyno hours. plus Raceboy comes by if something is needed to adjust, tune whatsoever.. but then again we Estonians are not that rich . and if you do everything youself, youll gonna save half the money...
#21
Rennlist Member
Just an FYI, the 951 TPS works flawlessly with any standalone and bolts to an NA throttle body, as it's a potentiometer design. I paid about $50 for mine. I know there BMW ones that work too you could probably find more easily.
#22
Instructor
V2 , that replacement pipe was also welded by raceboys source, im sure you wont find one on shop thats fits bolt on.
also we discovered a slight vacuum above 4.5k rpm, even after afm delete(so its even worse with afm) , we guess 3.0L could use a little larger throttle body but its a same size as in 2.5L . few extra horses right there i guess :d if a decide to go for a swap.
also we discovered a slight vacuum above 4.5k rpm, even after afm delete(so its even worse with afm) , we guess 3.0L could use a little larger throttle body but its a same size as in 2.5L . few extra horses right there i guess :d if a decide to go for a swap.
#24
Rennlist Member
Yup. Another alternative (for USA guys mainly) is to grab one of these:
http://www.2040-parts.com/porsche-94...ction-i301635/
and a GM TPS at the junkyard for cheap. That's my move if this TPS goes bad. Luckily it seems like the main failures on them are idle and WOT switches (neither works on this TPS which is why I got it cheap) and you don't need that functionality for aftermarket EFI. The part you need is the potentiometer, which can re-seated the same way the AFM wiper arm is re-seated.
http://www.2040-parts.com/porsche-94...ction-i301635/
and a GM TPS at the junkyard for cheap. That's my move if this TPS goes bad. Luckily it seems like the main failures on them are idle and WOT switches (neither works on this TPS which is why I got it cheap) and you don't need that functionality for aftermarket EFI. The part you need is the potentiometer, which can re-seated the same way the AFM wiper arm is re-seated.
#25
Freedom Enthusiast
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
#26
Rainman
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
I bought one of those "cone filter adapter" things that would normally bolt onto the AFM, but I will put it on the airbox and use a rubber coupler to join it to a piece of 70mm pipe to fit the J-boot.
The IAT I am just going to drill a hole in the side of the airbox and secure the IAT with a nut on the inside. It will be above the filter (in case the nut comes loose), just behind the "belt cover vent" port on the NA airbox lid.
The IAT I am just going to drill a hole in the side of the airbox and secure the IAT with a nut on the inside. It will be above the filter (in case the nut comes loose), just behind the "belt cover vent" port on the NA airbox lid.
#27
Rennlist Member
#28
Any more using vems on 951?
Pictures of installing?
What is the benefit of going wasted spark or cop instead of original ignition system?
I´m thinking of changing to either vems or ecu master emu.
Pictures of installing?
What is the benefit of going wasted spark or cop instead of original ignition system?
I´m thinking of changing to either vems or ecu master emu.
#29
Rennlist Member
WS / COP has a few advantages, namely: 1) no moving parts, you can mount wherever you want to which is good in a cramped 951 engine bay. 2) powerful spark at all RPMs, where the dizzy runs out of dwell past ~4500 RPM or so and spark blowout can become a possibility. 3) more accurate spark compared to a mechanical rotor, nobody likes pinging. If your ECU supports it, I'd run it, unless physically installing the coil pack(s) is a holdup.
#30
Three Wheelin'
Filip bought a kit from me and Dahlbäck Racing tuned it for him too, got 305rwhp from stock 951 with K26/8 turbo @ 1.2bar with 3bar FPR.