Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

968 Transaxle LSD Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-20-2015, 07:40 AM
  #1  
Lee Zook
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Lee Zook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Titusville FL
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 968 Transaxle LSD Question

I have come across a 968 Transaxle where the current owner cannot tell me much about it. I took some pictures of it. Is there specific physical appearances I can look for to determine the difference between the open and locking differentials? Also, what are these going for?
Thanks,
Lee
Old 04-20-2015, 08:46 AM
  #2  
Van
Rennlist Member
 
Van's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hyde Park, NY
Posts: 12,008
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Lee Zook
Is there specific physical appearances I can look for to determine the difference between the open and locking differentials?
Nope - you actually have to turn one output flange and see if the other one spins in the same or opposite direction (same=LSD; opposite=open).
Old 04-20-2015, 04:49 PM
  #3  
GTgears
Nordschleife Master
 
GTgears's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Loveland, CO
Posts: 5,163
Received 123 Likes on 86 Posts
Default

Between the type number and the serial number on the rib on the bottom there will be stamped a "12" if it has an LSD. The 968 used two different M220 option differentials. One was a proper clutch type LSD and the other was a torsen gleason design torque biasing differential. They are both nice units.
Old 04-20-2015, 11:02 PM
  #4  
Lee Zook
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Lee Zook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Titusville FL
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I did not see that number. I saw in other postinge that it is on the bottom. I did not turn it upside down to look at the bottom. Anyone with recent purchase experience on a 968 transaxle that can provide a cost history? It has the clutch housing and transfer tube as well.
Thanks

Last edited by Lee Zook; 04-20-2015 at 11:04 PM. Reason: Correct mispellings and grammer.
Old 04-21-2015, 08:00 AM
  #5  
67King
Race Car
 
67King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 3,641
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Van
Nope - you actually have to turn one output flange and see if the other one spins in the same or opposite direction (same=LSD; opposite=open).
Not true, unless it is a 92. The 93-95 had torque biasing diffs, which will spin the opposite direction. One would have to check the serial numbers.
Old 04-21-2015, 12:09 PM
  #6  
Van
Rennlist Member
 
Van's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hyde Park, NY
Posts: 12,008
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

OK, I did not know that.
Old 04-22-2015, 01:33 AM
  #7  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,926
Received 98 Likes on 81 Posts
Default

Unless I had a 968 I wouldn't convert to the 6 speed 'box. I'd spend money elsewhere.
Old 04-22-2015, 07:57 AM
  #8  
Dimi 944
Rennlist Member
 
Dimi 944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,263
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by 67King

Not true, unless it is a 92. The 93-95 had torque biasing diffs, which will spin the opposite direction. One would have to check the serial numbers.
2nd.
Old 04-22-2015, 11:12 PM
  #9  
968gene
Rennlist Member
 
968gene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NC
Posts: 1,672
Received 97 Likes on 30 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 67King
Not true, unless it is a 92. The 93-95 had torque biasing diffs, which will spin the opposite direction. One would have to check the serial numbers.
On the 968 trans you can pull the stub axles, remove the side cover, and pull out the differential to inspect it. Not so on the 944 5sp.
Old 04-23-2015, 12:20 AM
  #10  
67King
Race Car
 
67King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 3,641
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by 968gene
On the 968 trans you can pull the stub axles, remove the side cover, and pull out the differential to inspect it. Not so on the 944 5sp.
That's kind of a lot of trouble to go through when the code is right there on the top, don't you think? If in the car, I'd just check the option codes (assume this one is out since he is looking to sell it).

That said, that is nice. Gotta made a rebuild or changing to an LSD a lot easier.
Old 04-25-2015, 08:35 AM
  #11  
Lee Zook
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
Lee Zook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Titusville FL
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Update on Serial number

I am not particularly looking at swapping transaxles, just trying to help a friend with very little knowledge on what they have. I did get the stamped serial number from the bottom of the transaxle. It is stamped:

G4401
003509

I also put it into neutral and turned the out put flange on one side and the opposite moved in the same direction. I was surprised on the amount of effort it took to turn the flange. Initially, I thought it was still in gear. I was expecting it to turn easily.

Anyway, this person has the 2 piece bell housing and torque tube and is wanting to sell it.

Thanks,
Lee
Old 04-25-2015, 09:34 PM
  #12  
Dimi 944
Rennlist Member
 
Dimi 944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 1,263
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Lee Zook
I am not particularly looking at swapping transaxles, just trying to help a friend with very little knowledge on what they have. I did get the stamped serial number from the bottom of the transaxle. It is stamped:

G4401
003509

I also put it into neutral and turned the out put flange on one side and the opposite moved in the same direction. I was surprised on the amount of effort it took to turn the flange. Initially, I thought it was still in gear. I was expecting it to turn easily.

Anyway, this person has the 2 piece bell housing and torque tube and is wanting to sell it.

Thanks,
Lee
Based on what you are describing the transmission appears to have a LSD in it.
Now to further determine its operational state, you can lock in place on side and use a torque wrench to see how much torque is required to make the other side rotate. This will give you ball park idea of the break away torque.
Old 04-25-2015, 09:55 PM
  #13  
JimV8
Rennlist Member
 
JimV8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Ontario
Posts: 26,378
Received 495 Likes on 354 Posts
Default

If you go with the 6 spd make sure you get the mount, the shift linkage and important, the half shafts. they are unequal lengths.



Quick Reply: 968 Transaxle LSD Question



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 12:04 AM.