Opinions needed on 1969 S
05-20-2015, 09:41 PM
#17
Nordschleife Master
12 months is an epoch in the current market. It was almost exactly a year ago that the current run up in prices began. $100k might be a stretch on this car, but it never hurts to ask. You can always go down and be negotiable.
https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtoo...port?vbe=80248
Hagerty is generally a few months behind the actual market but they are still a good resource since they have access to real sales numbers and not just the ads one sees on the internet.
I'd take a '68 over a '69 for the same money. I'm a SWB guy. And I prefer the aluminum 2.0l to the '69 mag case. I also like the one year only body and trim features of a '68. But that's just me.
https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtoo...port?vbe=80248
Hagerty is generally a few months behind the actual market but they are still a good resource since they have access to real sales numbers and not just the ads one sees on the internet.
I'd take a '68 over a '69 for the same money. I'm a SWB guy. And I prefer the aluminum 2.0l to the '69 mag case. I also like the one year only body and trim features of a '68. But that's just me.
05-20-2015, 10:58 PM
#18
Rennlist Member
I don't think my estimate is too far off even by Hagerty's graph ,and if I'm not mistaken even their
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
05-20-2015, 11:01 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
I don't think my estimate is too far off even by Hagerty's graph ,and if I'm not mistaken even their
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
05-20-2015, 11:56 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
I wouldn't call it arguing just justifying where my numbers are coming from..
I'm not a shop just a dedicated hobbiest that's been buying ,collecting and
driving these cars since college so 35 odd years ...thanks Bert
I'm not a shop just a dedicated hobbiest that's been buying ,collecting and
driving these cars since college so 35 odd years ...thanks Bert
05-21-2015, 12:07 AM
#21
Nordschleife Master
You and I aren't really very far apart at all when it comes down to it. I'm going to walk in to most negotiations on a car and offer 10-15% less than ask. So if he puts it at $100k, if I were a buyer I might get it for $85k or $90k.
But I don't have S project car money to play with. Like yourself I'm just a hobbyist too when it comes to car ownership. I make my money from a manufacturing business that makes parts for these cars, but unfortunately that doesn't afford me $1/4M cars. I still sometimes kick myself for trading my '85 Carrera for the '67 912 in my avatar. The same guy had a '70S race car built by Bill Rader that I could have had for $10k on top of my car. I should have bought the S!
05-21-2015, 12:43 AM
#22
I guess I'm just saying that I don't think your numbers need justifying. I'm sorry if you took my comment about how dynamic the market became in the last year as a challenge to your direct personal experience. I just wanted the OP to have a certain idea of the current sales market and to be careful not to sell his uncle short. Some people with an old car gathering dust in the garage don't even know about a resource like Hagerty.
You and I aren't really very far apart at all when it comes down to it. I'm going to walk in to most negotiations on a car and offer 10-15% less than ask. So if he puts it at $100k, if I were a buyer I might get it for $85k or $90k.
But I don't have S project car money to play with. Like yourself I'm just a hobbyist too when it comes to car ownership. I make my money from a manufacturing business that makes parts for these cars, but unfortunately that doesn't afford me $1/4M cars. I still sometimes kick myself for trading my '85 Carrera for the '67 912 in my avatar. The same guy had a '70S race car built by Bill Rader that I could have had for $10k on top of my car. I should have bought the S!
You and I aren't really very far apart at all when it comes down to it. I'm going to walk in to most negotiations on a car and offer 10-15% less than ask. So if he puts it at $100k, if I were a buyer I might get it for $85k or $90k.
But I don't have S project car money to play with. Like yourself I'm just a hobbyist too when it comes to car ownership. I make my money from a manufacturing business that makes parts for these cars, but unfortunately that doesn't afford me $1/4M cars. I still sometimes kick myself for trading my '85 Carrera for the '67 912 in my avatar. The same guy had a '70S race car built by Bill Rader that I could have had for $10k on top of my car. I should have bought the S!
05-21-2015, 01:17 AM
#23
Nordschleife Master
It's a decent driver that I'm slowly improving over time. And it's got interesting provenance. It is a car that was actually liberated from the infamous Sheridan collection. Rofl.
05-22-2015, 11:39 AM
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Thanks for all of the knowledgeable responses. I realize there is much unknown about the car so that makes it impossible to put a number on but I believe I have a good range to report back to him. Perhaps the Early S registry is a good place for more info and to sell the car. It sounds like the first step is to obtain a COA and then throw it up for sale.
05-22-2015, 11:49 AM
#25
Nordschleife Master
Just be aware that the early S guys are total ***** about correctness. They will tell you absolutely every little thing about the car that is wrong. Don't take it personally or try to defend the car to them and you will get a great education. But they also might not be the place to get top dollar because they are sooooo picky.
05-22-2015, 04:06 PM
#26
Just be aware that the early S guys are total ***** about correctness. They will tell you absolutely every little thing about the car that is wrong. Don't take it personally or try to defend the car to them and you will get a great education. But they also might not be the place to get top dollar because they are sooooo picky.
But getting a complete evaluation by a recognized specialist will really tell you where you stand, and also help you give an accurate description to a potential buyer, so it is well worth the effort.
05-22-2015, 05:40 PM
#27
Nordschleife Master
I think this is true of any buyer paying top dollar for one of these cars... missing or incorrect parts will significantly reduce the value of the car....
But getting a complete evaluation by a recognized specialist will really tell you where you stand, and also help you give an accurate description to a potential buyer, so it is well worth the effort.
But getting a complete evaluation by a recognized specialist will really tell you where you stand, and also help you give an accurate description to a potential buyer, so it is well worth the effort.
05-22-2015, 09:17 PM
#28
Rennlist Member
Listen , I am one of those guys and sometimes they can go so far as to even **** off one or more of there own members, me being one of them!
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert
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05-23-2015, 04:55 PM
#29
Listen , I am one of those guys and sometimes they can go so far as to even **** off one or more of there own members, me being one of them!
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert
Tracking down period correct trim, lights, buttons, and other fiddly-bits can get awfully expensive...
BTW.... my brother and I are also Corvette guys.... we go to NCRS (National Corvette Restorer's Society), national meets sometimes.... talk about Pickey!!!
05-23-2015, 06:34 PM
#30
Nordschleife Master
One really nice thing about the 69-71 era cars was a ton of Ts were spec'd with S trim package from the factory. The kind of stuff that takes forever to find for a SWB car is out there in much larger quantities when it comes to stuff that is unique to the S. As the line progressed, they made more and more cars that looked S.