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Old 05-20-2015, 09:17 PM
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The '68-69 S were transitional, so the market is more variable... they are valuable cars, just harder to pin down.
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12 months is an epoch in the current market. It was almost exactly a year ago that the current run up in prices began. $100k might be a stretch on this car, but it never hurts to ask. You can always go down and be negotiable.
https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtoo...port?vbe=80248

Hagerty is generally a few months behind the actual market but they are still a good resource since they have access to real sales numbers and not just the ads one sees on the internet.

I'd take a '68 over a '69 for the same money. I'm a SWB guy. And I prefer the aluminum 2.0l to the '69 mag case. I also like the one year only body and trim features of a '68. But that's just me.
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I don't think my estimate is too far off even by Hagerty's graph ,and if I'm not mistaken even their
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
Old 05-20-2015, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by budge96
I don't think my estimate is too far off even by Hagerty's graph ,and if I'm not mistaken even their
chart shows the current run up starting at least three years prior in '12.
hell I've sold a few of my early S cars over the last five or six years, so I've lived and experienced the market gains and lapses first hand.
I sold a 1972 S coupe complete but with accident damage in 2010 for $25K and at the time was all
the money, again in 2011 I sold my 1973 S in excellent at least #2 condition for $45 K neither of these examples was the buyer prepared to pony up the additional $5 K for the sport seats so out
they came.
And in so far as SWB cars go I've held on against all reason to my '68 S all these years had it likely
since '07 cause I'm just smitten with it's raw ,vintage style and coolness.
It came to me with twin plug heads and various early racing cues so it's a keeper...! Bert
You sound like you think I'm arguing with you. I'm not.
Old 05-20-2015, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GTgears
You sound like you think I'm arguing with you. I'm not.
I wouldn't call it arguing just justifying where my numbers are coming from..
I'm not a shop just a dedicated hobbiest that's been buying ,collecting and
driving these cars since college so 35 odd years ...thanks Bert
Old 05-21-2015, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by budge96
I wouldn't call it arguing just justifying where my numbers are coming from..
I'm not a shop just a dedicated hobbiest that's been buying ,collecting and
driving these cars since college so 35 odd years ...thanks Bert
I guess I'm just saying that I don't think your numbers need justifying. I'm sorry if you took my comment about how dynamic the market became in the last year as a challenge to your direct personal experience. I just wanted the OP to have a certain idea of the current sales market and to be careful not to sell his uncle short. Some people with an old car gathering dust in the garage don't even know about a resource like Hagerty.

You and I aren't really very far apart at all when it comes down to it. I'm going to walk in to most negotiations on a car and offer 10-15% less than ask. So if he puts it at $100k, if I were a buyer I might get it for $85k or $90k.

But I don't have S project car money to play with. Like yourself I'm just a hobbyist too when it comes to car ownership. I make my money from a manufacturing business that makes parts for these cars, but unfortunately that doesn't afford me $1/4M cars. I still sometimes kick myself for trading my '85 Carrera for the '67 912 in my avatar. The same guy had a '70S race car built by Bill Rader that I could have had for $10k on top of my car. I should have bought the S!
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Originally Posted by GTgears
I guess I'm just saying that I don't think your numbers need justifying. I'm sorry if you took my comment about how dynamic the market became in the last year as a challenge to your direct personal experience. I just wanted the OP to have a certain idea of the current sales market and to be careful not to sell his uncle short. Some people with an old car gathering dust in the garage don't even know about a resource like Hagerty.

You and I aren't really very far apart at all when it comes down to it. I'm going to walk in to most negotiations on a car and offer 10-15% less than ask. So if he puts it at $100k, if I were a buyer I might get it for $85k or $90k.

But I don't have S project car money to play with. Like yourself I'm just a hobbyist too when it comes to car ownership. I make my money from a manufacturing business that makes parts for these cars, but unfortunately that doesn't afford me $1/4M cars. I still sometimes kick myself for trading my '85 Carrera for the '67 912 in my avatar. The same guy had a '70S race car built by Bill Rader that I could have had for $10k on top of my car. I should have bought the S!
Totally off topic, but a pristine 912 is going to do well... not many of them left, if it's clean, it's a keeper.
Old 05-21-2015, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JCP911S
Totally off topic, but a pristine 912 is going to do well... not many of them left, if it's clean, it's a keeper.
It's a decent driver that I'm slowly improving over time. And it's got interesting provenance. It is a car that was actually liberated from the infamous Sheridan collection. Rofl.
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Thanks for all of the knowledgeable responses. I realize there is much unknown about the car so that makes it impossible to put a number on but I believe I have a good range to report back to him. Perhaps the Early S registry is a good place for more info and to sell the car. It sounds like the first step is to obtain a COA and then throw it up for sale.
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Just be aware that the early S guys are total ***** about correctness. They will tell you absolutely every little thing about the car that is wrong. Don't take it personally or try to defend the car to them and you will get a great education. But they also might not be the place to get top dollar because they are sooooo picky.
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Originally Posted by GTgears
Just be aware that the early S guys are total ***** about correctness. They will tell you absolutely every little thing about the car that is wrong. Don't take it personally or try to defend the car to them and you will get a great education. But they also might not be the place to get top dollar because they are sooooo picky.
I think this is true of any buyer paying top dollar for one of these cars... missing or incorrect parts will significantly reduce the value of the car....

But getting a complete evaluation by a recognized specialist will really tell you where you stand, and also help you give an accurate description to a potential buyer, so it is well worth the effort.
Old 05-22-2015, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JCP911S
I think this is true of any buyer paying top dollar for one of these cars... missing or incorrect parts will significantly reduce the value of the car....

But getting a complete evaluation by a recognized specialist will really tell you where you stand, and also help you give an accurate description to a potential buyer, so it is well worth the effort.
Absolutely, I am just warning him they can be a little bristly. What they can teach about the car is well worth a couple pin ******. One just needs to remember that I am not my car.
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Listen , I am one of those guys and sometimes they can go so far as to even **** off one or more of there own members, me being one of them!
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert

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Originally Posted by budge96
Listen , I am one of those guys and sometimes they can go so far as to even **** off one or more of there own members, me being one of them!
What you can glean from the hyperbole and innuendo often can far exceed the cost of a few hurt feelings.
The guys really know there stuff but do tend to go a bit over the top to say the least, just go in knowing your looking for a reasonable market valuation on a #4 rated car and not what a concourse rated #1 example will warrant .
You still have to find the buyer willing to see the value potential , even so it's a sellers market GLWS Bert
Yes, I wouldn't go in looking for a valuation... I'd go in looking for an honest inventory of what is original, or what is missing... its clear OP's car is going to need a total resto, but anybody looking to spend the bucks to do this is going to want to start with a complete original car....

Tracking down period correct trim, lights, buttons, and other fiddly-bits can get awfully expensive...


BTW.... my brother and I are also Corvette guys.... we go to NCRS (National Corvette Restorer's Society), national meets sometimes.... talk about Pickey!!!
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Originally Posted by JCP911S

Tracking down period correct trim, lights, buttons, and other fiddly-bits can get awfully expensive...
One really nice thing about the 69-71 era cars was a ton of Ts were spec'd with S trim package from the factory. The kind of stuff that takes forever to find for a SWB car is out there in much larger quantities when it comes to stuff that is unique to the S. As the line progressed, they made more and more cars that looked S.



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