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2013 Carrera S - LOW MILES - NO RESEVE
10-12-2016, 05:48 PM
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2013 Carrera S - LOW MILES - NO RESEVE
Year: 2013
Make: Porsche
Model: 911
Mileage (numbers only please): 10821
Options (Please check ALL which apply): Airbags, Air Conditioning, Alarm System, Antilock Brakes, Cruise Control, Foglamps, Intermittent Wipers, Leather Seats, Power Brakes, Power Door Locks, Power Steering, Power Windows, Traction Control
Color: Black
VIN: WP0AB2A91DS123016
Price (no $ sign please): $72500
Private or Dealer Listing: Private Listing
Location (Region): NorthEast
Body Style: Coupe
Transmission Type: Manual - 6 speed
2 or 4 Wheel Drive?: 2 Wheel Drive
Engine Type: Fuel Injection
Stereo System: AM-FM Stereo
I now have it up for auction on EBay @ NO RESERVE.
eBay item number: 172371952177
Starting price is set to Below what Manheim Wholesale Dealer Auctions have as low wholesale dealer auction value. (based on current auction results)
Factory Ordered 2013 Black on Black Carrera S with a 7 Speed Manual, & 20" Carrera Classic Wheels.
Jack Daniels Porsche service & inspection completed 9/15/2016. Report available with an excellent bill of health.
The vehicle currently has its factory warranty until June 2017 or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first.
Features
AUX/Bluetooth/USB/Navigation
(4) floor mats
12v pwr outlet
20 x 8.5 front/20 x 11 rear Carrera Classic aluminum wheels -inc: P245/35ZR20 front tires P295/30ZR20 rear tires
3.8L four overhead camshafts DFI 24V horizontally-opposed 6-cyl engine -inc: dry sump lubrication oil cooler
7-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION M/T 7-Speed M/T
7-speed manual transmission -inc: standstill management w/hold function
AUTO-DIMMING INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MIRRORS Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror
Analogue gauges -inc: engine speed vehicle speed oil pressure oil temp coolant temp fuel
Auto on/off headlights
Automatic engine start/stop function
Automatic extending rear spoiler
Bi-xenon headlights
Brake calipers painted in red
Coat hooks on front seat backs
Cruise control
Dual front cup holders
Electric parking brake
Engine throttle adjust sport button
Four-pass multi-flow exhaust system w/(2) dual-tube tailpipes in brushed stainless steel valve control
Front apron w/integrated air intakes
Front/rear brake pad-wear sensors
Front/rear door storage compartments
Front/rear stabilizer bars
Full under-body paneling
Heated rear screen
Home-Link garage door opener
Illuminated visor vanity mirror
Immobilizer system w/in-key transponder alarm system & radar-based interior surveillance
Integrated cluster of (5) round instruments
Keyless entry
LED tail lights & brake lights
LED turn signals
LSA multi-link rear suspension
Large lockable glovebox
STEERING WHEEL IN LEATHER
McPherson front suspension
On-board computer
PORSCHE ACTIVE SPORT SUSPENSION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (PASM)
PORSCHE TORQUE VECTORING (PTV)
Active Suspension Rear Spoiler
Porsche active suspension management system (PASM) -inc: electronic damper control system w/two manually select-able settings
Pwr 4-wheel vented disc brakes -inc: 6-piston front/4-piston rear monobloc fixed alloy calipers
Pwr assisted rack & pinion steering w/variable ratio
Rain-sensing intermittent windshield wipers w/heated washers
Fog lights
Rear lid model designation & PORSCHE in chrome
Rear wheel drive
Remote central locking w/pwr hood & trunk release
Roofliner in black Alcantara
Split-folding rear bench seat
Sport pwr bucket seats -inc: driver & front passenger seat pwr backrest driver & front passenger seat pwr height driver & front passenger seat manual fore/aft
Steering wheel in leather
Audio/on-board computer controls
Tilt/telescopic steering wheel
10-12-2016, 07:04 PM
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"NO RESERVE" with a $72,500 minimum bid. Sounds an awful lot like a reserve to me.
I don't mean to bash your ad, you've got a beautiful car and heck - I would have placed a bid on your auction if it was actually "no reserve" (so I would "put my money where my mouth is" - so to speak).
My personal opinion is that your ad is misleading - nothing more...
I don't mean to bash your ad, you've got a beautiful car and heck - I would have placed a bid on your auction if it was actually "no reserve" (so I would "put my money where my mouth is" - so to speak).
My personal opinion is that your ad is misleading - nothing more...
10-12-2016, 10:59 PM
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Not really. He says that it's on ebay with no reserve.
OP - You'd be well served to attach the build sheet, not the list of standard carrera s features, or atleast options (sport chrono? PSE? 14 way or 18way seats? Sunroof in metal or glass, or none?, etc)
OP - You'd be well served to attach the build sheet, not the list of standard carrera s features, or atleast options (sport chrono? PSE? 14 way or 18way seats? Sunroof in metal or glass, or none?, etc)
10-12-2016, 11:20 PM
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[1QUOTE=neilhellr;13670660]"NO RESERVE" with a $72,500 minimum bid. Sounds an awful lot like a reserve to me.
I don't mean to bash your ad, you've got a beautiful car and heck - I would have placed a bid on your auction if it was actually "no reserve" (so I would "put my money where my mouth is" - so to speak).
My personal opinion is that your ad is misleading - nothing more...[/QUOTE]
Place a bid and see what happens. Any bid buys the car....that is no reserve. Nothing misleading about the ad. If u can't afford the starting bid move on.
I don't mean to bash your ad, you've got a beautiful car and heck - I would have placed a bid on your auction if it was actually "no reserve" (so I would "put my money where my mouth is" - so to speak).
My personal opinion is that your ad is misleading - nothing more...[/QUOTE]
Place a bid and see what happens. Any bid buys the car....that is no reserve. Nothing misleading about the ad. If u can't afford the starting bid move on.
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10-13-2016, 12:23 PM
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"Place a bid and see what happens. Any bid buys the car....that is no reserve. Nothing misleading about the ad. If u can't afford the starting bid move on."
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
10-13-2016, 12:35 PM
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10-13-2016, 04:49 PM
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"Place a bid and see what happens. Any bid buys the car....that is no reserve. Nothing misleading about the ad. If u can't afford the starting bid move on."
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
The 2013 Carrera S with 10,272 miles has an asking price of $67,950.
I contacted the seller and the car was involved in an accident resulting from a high speed police car chase.
The vehicle was sitting on the lot for several months due to a pending lawsuit.
In addition, the car has had some of its badges partially removed.
The dealer stated that he would get at least $10K more for the 991 if it did not have its current history.
Vehicles history of an accident can result in 10-20% drop in value.
I am not sure if Neilhellr is aware of this vehicles history.
10-13-2016, 04:51 PM
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I did not create the listing to intentionally mislead anyone.
The listing states that the car is on Ebay with a no reserve auction and the listing also states that the car has an asking price of $72,500. As per Ebay this is a No Reserve Auction regardless of the starting price.
I stated in my auction:
“I have the Starting Price Under Low Dealer Wholesale Auction Value based on Current Dealer Wholesale Auction Results. (Please see the attached copy of Manheim Wholesale Dealer Auction Value Report)
Wholesale auctions are where Dealers go to get inventory for their lots. The auction results are based off of what Dealers pay for the cars that you see on show room floors.”
The listing states that the car is on Ebay with a no reserve auction and the listing also states that the car has an asking price of $72,500. As per Ebay this is a No Reserve Auction regardless of the starting price.
I stated in my auction:
“I have the Starting Price Under Low Dealer Wholesale Auction Value based on Current Dealer Wholesale Auction Results. (Please see the attached copy of Manheim Wholesale Dealer Auction Value Report)
Wholesale auctions are where Dealers go to get inventory for their lots. The auction results are based off of what Dealers pay for the cars that you see on show room floors.”
10-13-2016, 04:59 PM
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"Place a bid and see what happens. Any bid buys the car....that is no reserve. Nothing misleading about the ad. If u can't afford the starting bid move on."
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
Ha, I love how message boards seem to bring out the best in people.
I politely call out the poster for a misleading ad (he advertised "NO RESERVE" to draw interest to his listing, but his car is definitely NOT being sold "NO RESERVE" - it's being listed for sale at $72,500).
Because I call him out - according to Studlee from the Pacific Northwest - I obviously can't afford the car. That's laughable.
Why would I place a bid and buy this poster's car for $72,500 when I can buy an almost identical car (but in white - a color I happen to prefer) for $67,500 (without even negotiating the dealers asking price) 200 miles away from my home??? According to Studlee, I guess I should overpay for the car just to prove I can "afford it" or "move on".
To the op - the general understanding of a "no reserve" auction implies that you are willing to sell the car for the highest bid placed (above $1) - NOT the highest bid placed above your asking price...
You say a no reserve auction implies highest bid above $1, per your definition is the reserve $1 then? Why not start the auction at $0 or $0.01?
OP, beautiful car, GLWS!
10-13-2016, 05:22 PM
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"No Reserve" with a close-to-full-retail-minimum-bid technically is still a no-reserve auction, just not the kind that typically gets any action. The plus is that it will show up when people search eBay for no-reserve auctions only, the minus of course is they still likely won't bid once they see that minimum.
I know it's bad form to comment on pricing of cars in this forum per-se, but it seems like a few folks find it a bit misleading and we are commenting on your eBay ad, not your rennlist ad.
Out of curiously, what do you think a true no-reserve, no minimum bid auction for this car would pull on eBay?
I know it's bad form to comment on pricing of cars in this forum per-se, but it seems like a few folks find it a bit misleading and we are commenting on your eBay ad, not your rennlist ad.
Out of curiously, what do you think a true no-reserve, no minimum bid auction for this car would pull on eBay?
10-13-2016, 06:33 PM
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I do understand that "technically" eBay will allow you to set a minimum bid and still advertise the auction as "no reserve" - I find this to be inaccurate and misleading.
I think others also feel the same way (judging by the comments on this thread).
In generally accepted terms, a "no reserve" sale implies that the item will be sold to the highest bidder when the gavel drops - whether that bid is $1 or $72,500. Try selling a car at Bonham's with "no reserve" with a minimum bid...
I only defended myself (and my position) when a RL member from across the country insinuated that the only reason I commented was "because I couldn't afford the car". I have PM'd the OP and apologized for turning his for sale thread "negative", but this is an internet forum - where the entire point is to (respectfully) discuss opinions...
I don't begrudge the OP his right to offer his car for sale at any price he sees fit. He has a beautiful car - a car that is not worth $72,500 to ME, but it may be to him (or to someone else).
If this was really a "no reserve" auction - I would be able to place my bid (what the car is worth to me) and any other buyer could easily outbid me (if the car is worth more to them). The entire point of my post was to say that this simply isn't the case here.
Let's say I was willing to pay $50 for the car - I would instantly be outbid by someone here willing to pay more - there are 1000's of members here who would pay $100 for the car. Let's say I was willing to pay $50k for the car - I would still most certainly be outbid, but the number of people willing to pay more than $50k is certainly less than the number willing to pay more than $50.
Let's say I was willing to pay $60k for the car, the number of people willing to pay more than me shrinks again. At some point - someone is willing to pay a figure that no one else is willing to top and that person wins the car - that's selling a car "no reserve".
Again - the insinuation that someone can't afford a car because they won't pay another member's asking price is absurd. At this point, I wish I would have kept my mouth shut, but I felt I respectfully shared my opinion that the OP's advertisement of a "no reserve" sale was inaccurate and misleading...
To the OP - you have a beautiful car - GLWS.
I think others also feel the same way (judging by the comments on this thread).
In generally accepted terms, a "no reserve" sale implies that the item will be sold to the highest bidder when the gavel drops - whether that bid is $1 or $72,500. Try selling a car at Bonham's with "no reserve" with a minimum bid...
I only defended myself (and my position) when a RL member from across the country insinuated that the only reason I commented was "because I couldn't afford the car". I have PM'd the OP and apologized for turning his for sale thread "negative", but this is an internet forum - where the entire point is to (respectfully) discuss opinions...
I don't begrudge the OP his right to offer his car for sale at any price he sees fit. He has a beautiful car - a car that is not worth $72,500 to ME, but it may be to him (or to someone else).
If this was really a "no reserve" auction - I would be able to place my bid (what the car is worth to me) and any other buyer could easily outbid me (if the car is worth more to them). The entire point of my post was to say that this simply isn't the case here.
Let's say I was willing to pay $50 for the car - I would instantly be outbid by someone here willing to pay more - there are 1000's of members here who would pay $100 for the car. Let's say I was willing to pay $50k for the car - I would still most certainly be outbid, but the number of people willing to pay more than $50k is certainly less than the number willing to pay more than $50.
Let's say I was willing to pay $60k for the car, the number of people willing to pay more than me shrinks again. At some point - someone is willing to pay a figure that no one else is willing to top and that person wins the car - that's selling a car "no reserve".
Again - the insinuation that someone can't afford a car because they won't pay another member's asking price is absurd. At this point, I wish I would have kept my mouth shut, but I felt I respectfully shared my opinion that the OP's advertisement of a "no reserve" sale was inaccurate and misleading...
To the OP - you have a beautiful car - GLWS.