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Old May 24, 2021 | 12:21 AM
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Yes, and in other news scientists are reporting that water is, indeed, wet.
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Old May 24, 2021 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Yes, and in other news scientists are reporting that water is, indeed, wet.
This thread is about the 9932 vs Taycan, but congrats on being an *******.

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Old May 24, 2021 | 12:49 AM
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you are probably right (e.g. feeling the weight mid-turn), but some of us really don't drive our cars spirited enough to notice the difference... I would love a Turbo-S Cab for the weekends though!
The 911 is definitely going to waste if you don’t care much about driving dynamics. With that said, the Taycan is the best sedan I’ve driven.


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Old May 24, 2021 | 10:48 AM
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To the OP: every car gets old after some time. My 2 cents worth:
-Every gas engined car is gets closer to electric cars- quiet inside and outside, more horsepower/torque, soul-less

-Electric cars: basically overtaken gas powered cars in performance (maybe not in handling or track use), mind boggling acceleration rush (new Tesla Roadster 0-60 under 1.3 seconds!!)

-Recently drove a Taycan. Easily one of the best sedans I have driven. Very easy to drive. It would be a daily driver for me, would I pay the price they are asking-never. I'll keep my Tesla Y for my daily. Tesla offers what other car companies are many years away- Technology.

-Still keeping my weekend cars- 488, "86" 911 sc.
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Old May 24, 2021 | 12:27 PM
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This is an interesting discussion, and one that I'm currently struggling with to a certain extent.

Almost 5 years ago now, I made the decision to replace my daily driver with a "commuter" car and add a 911 as a third car for the weekends. I largely used the 911 to take my kids to practice, my wife out on dates, rolling to PCA meetings and just bombing around myself. I sold that car at the beginning of the pandemic as a left ankle injury left me unable to work a clutch. At the same time, my commuter car got upgraded, by literal accident, to a Model 3 performance. I've driven the Model 3 as my daily since the end of 2018, and I've grown very used to the EV experience. It really is unmatched for a daily.

Last year, as the pandemic dragged, I really missed a sporty Porsche in my life. I re-evaluated my situation and realized that living in Houston means a 45 minute drive at a minimum to any kind of road with curves. Which means that it's at least a half a day trip, which means they don't happen often. The 911 is relegated to micro use. I went backwards in time, seeking more engagement, and ended up with a 997 Turbo S. I honestly love the thing, to me it sits directly between the modern and the old Porsches, and gives me much more engagement than my naturally aspirated 991 did. It's got much more usable power around town as well! I got it at the end of last August and immediately started driving and piling the miles on....

...or so I thought. I took it out yesterday and checked and since last fall, I've done less than 2,500 miles in the car. And here I thought I had been using it! The problem is time. I just don't have the time to take it out. My daily commute is long, 90 miles round trip on all highways and it's no way to use this car. I can't take it to my son's practice as his gear won't fit in it. And so it's almost never gets driven during the week. Meanwhile, I spend upwards of 2 hours a day driving my Tesla.

I'm not rich, so I can't afford both a 911 on the Taycan. I could very comfortably consolidate both those cars into a Taycan but is that the move? The rational part of me says with my current job, putting 25k miles a year on a $130k car is nuts. Especially Porsche's first EV which is likely to depreciate hard. And the 997 Turbo hasn't lost any value in the time I've owned it. I'm probably flat to up in this market.

But the other part of me says, yeah, you have this wonderful Turbo in the garage, but you use it literally 1/10 of the time you're driving. Probably less when you consider I also drive my wife's Cayenne a decent amount too. With two growing kids (my son is 5'10", my daughter is 5') that really don't fit in the back of the 911 any more, do I just go for the Taycan?

But then the other part of me comes back to....will it feel as special? And while it will never be a 911, will the fact that I get to experience it literally every day vs. a few minutes once or twice a weekend make up for that?

Thanks for starting this thread. Definitely near and dear to my heart!
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Old May 24, 2021 | 12:38 PM
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-Recently drove a Taycan. Easily one of the best sedans I have driven. Very easy to drive. It would be a daily driver for me, would I pay the price they are asking-never. I'll keep my Tesla Y for my daily. Tesla offers what other car companies are many years away- Technology.
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I've been driving a rental Jag F Pace for almost a week now while my Model 3 is getting hail damage repaired. And I have to say...yeah, the Tesla has "technology", but to what end?

I used to have EAP, but found most of the features to be frustrating. Could not trust to change lanes, sure it "did" interchanges, but usually slowly and sometimes a little rough. And the more I drive modern cars with good ACC, the more I realize that the Tesla's TACC is pretty harsh.

Infotainment....yeah, I love the big Google maps display. But the texting integration is awful. Streaming music is "ok" when it works, but the car's cell connection isn't as strong as my phone's. Apple Car Play with waze seems to be a superior experience, even if it's not as graphically flashy.

And finally....some buttons are actually nice. I'm getting tired of adjusting the horrific auto wiper settings through "push, tap" and as good as Tesla's UI is, sometimes having a few key physical controls is a benefit.


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Old May 24, 2021 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
This is an interesting discussion, and one that I'm currently struggling with to a certain extent.

Almost 5 years ago now, I made the decision to replace my daily driver with a "commuter" car and add a 911 as a third car for the weekends. I largely used the 911 to take my kids to practice, my wife out on dates, rolling to PCA meetings and just bombing around myself. I sold that car at the beginning of the pandemic as a left ankle injury left me unable to work a clutch. At the same time, my commuter car got upgraded, by literal accident, to a Model 3 performance. I've driven the Model 3 as my daily since the end of 2018, and I've grown very used to the EV experience. It really is unmatched for a daily.

Last year, as the pandemic dragged, I really missed a sporty Porsche in my life. I re-evaluated my situation and realized that living in Houston means a 45 minute drive at a minimum to any kind of road with curves. Which means that it's at least a half a day trip, which means they don't happen often. The 911 is relegated to micro use. I went backwards in time, seeking more engagement, and ended up with a 997 Turbo S. I honestly love the thing, to me it sits directly between the modern and the old Porsches, and gives me much more engagement than my naturally aspirated 991 did. It's got much more usable power around town as well! I got it at the end of last August and immediately started driving and piling the miles on....

...or so I thought. I took it out yesterday and checked and since last fall, I've done less than 2,500 miles in the car. And here I thought I had been using it! The problem is time. I just don't have the time to take it out. My daily commute is long, 90 miles round trip on all highways and it's no way to use this car. I can't take it to my son's practice as his gear won't fit in it. And so it's almost never gets driven during the week. Meanwhile, I spend upwards of 2 hours a day driving my Tesla.

I'm not rich, so I can't afford both a 911 on the Taycan. I could very comfortably consolidate both those cars into a Taycan but is that the move? The rational part of me says with my current job, putting 25k miles a year on a $130k car is nuts. Especially Porsche's first EV which is likely to depreciate hard. And the 997 Turbo hasn't lost any value in the time I've owned it. I'm probably flat to up in this market.

But the other part of me says, yeah, you have this wonderful Turbo in the garage, but you use it literally 1/10 of the time you're driving. Probably less when you consider I also drive my wife's Cayenne a decent amount too. With two growing kids (my son is 5'10", my daughter is 5') that really don't fit in the back of the 911 any more, do I just go for the Taycan?

But then the other part of me comes back to....will it feel as special? And while it will never be a 911, will the fact that I get to experience it literally every day vs. a few minutes once or twice a weekend make up for that?

Thanks for starting this thread. Definitely near and dear to my heart!
I would argue the Taycan is the best around town car ever. It looks amazing, drives amazing, is extremely comfortable and quiet, you can add luxury items like massaging seats, still seats 4 adults, and has a great sound system. It's also sporty/fast enough to make it a fun weekend car. It will never be as good as the 911 on a great back road, and it's going to cost a lot more than the Tesla, but like I said earlier it's that perfect blend of both.

If you spend a lot of time in a single car, the Taycan is it.
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Old May 24, 2021 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
This is an interesting discussion, and one that I'm currently struggling with to a certain extent.

Almost 5 years ago now, I made the decision to replace my daily driver with a "commuter" car and add a 911 as a third car for the weekends. I largely used the 911 to take my kids to practice, my wife out on dates, rolling to PCA meetings and just bombing around myself. I sold that car at the beginning of the pandemic as a left ankle injury left me unable to work a clutch. At the same time, my commuter car got upgraded, by literal accident, to a Model 3 performance. I've driven the Model 3 as my daily since the end of 2018, and I've grown very used to the EV experience. It really is unmatched for a daily.

Last year, as the pandemic dragged, I really missed a sporty Porsche in my life. I re-evaluated my situation and realized that living in Houston means a 45 minute drive at a minimum to any kind of road with curves. Which means that it's at least a half a day trip, which means they don't happen often. The 911 is relegated to micro use. I went backwards in time, seeking more engagement, and ended up with a 997 Turbo S. I honestly love the thing, to me it sits directly between the modern and the old Porsches, and gives me much more engagement than my naturally aspirated 991 did. It's got much more usable power around town as well! I got it at the end of last August and immediately started driving and piling the miles on....

...or so I thought. I took it out yesterday and checked and since last fall, I've done less than 2,500 miles in the car. And here I thought I had been using it! The problem is time. I just don't have the time to take it out. My daily commute is long, 90 miles round trip on all highways and it's no way to use this car. I can't take it to my son's practice as his gear won't fit in it. And so it's almost never gets driven during the week. Meanwhile, I spend upwards of 2 hours a day driving my Tesla.

I'm not rich, so I can't afford both a 911 on the Taycan. I could very comfortably consolidate both those cars into a Taycan but is that the move? The rational part of me says with my current job, putting 25k miles a year on a $130k car is nuts. Especially Porsche's first EV which is likely to depreciate hard. And the 997 Turbo hasn't lost any value in the time I've owned it. I'm probably flat to up in this market.

But the other part of me says, yeah, you have this wonderful Turbo in the garage, but you use it literally 1/10 of the time you're driving. Probably less when you consider I also drive my wife's Cayenne a decent amount too. With two growing kids (my son is 5'10", my daughter is 5') that really don't fit in the back of the 911 any more, do I just go for the Taycan?

But then the other part of me comes back to....will it feel as special? And while it will never be a 911, will the fact that I get to experience it literally every day vs. a few minutes once or twice a weekend make up for that?

Thanks for starting this thread. Definitely near and dear to my heart!
Thank you for your reply. This really sums up my feeling. My first idea was to buy a model 3 for daily driving and use the 992 for the weekends. The problem for me is time as well. Besides that I think the 992 is a bit underwhelming unless you push it very hard.

Therefore I decided to sell the 992 for a Taycan so I can experience the Porsche feeling with instant torque everyday. The Taycan is much smoother for daily use.

Time will tell if I miss the flat six in the back.
I hope I can buy a classic Porsche in the future for the weekends.
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Old May 24, 2021 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharky114
Thank you for your reply. This really sums up my feeling. My first idea was to buy a model 3 for daily driving and use the 992 for the weekends. The problem for me is time as well. Besides that I think the 992 is a bit underwhelming unless you push it very hard.

Therefore I decided to sell the 992 for a Taycan so I can experience the Porsche feeling with instant torque everyday. The Taycan is much smoother for daily use.

Time will tell if I miss the flat six in the back.
I hope I can buy a classic Porsche in the future for the weekends.
If you had to choose one and need the back seats, the Taycan is hard to beat. It will also get underwhelming though. Commuting is mundane.
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Originally Posted by Sharky114
Thank you for your reply. This really sums up my feeling. My first idea was to buy a model 3 for daily driving and use the 992 for the weekends. The problem for me is time as well. Besides that I think the 992 is a bit underwhelming unless you push it very hard.

Therefore I decided to sell the 992 for a Taycan so I can experience the Porsche feeling with instant torque everyday. The Taycan is much smoother for daily use.

Time will tell if I miss the flat six in the back.
I hope I can buy a classic Porsche in the future for the weekends.
That's precisely why I went from a 991 to a 997. 991.1 didn't feel like a 911 any more. 991.2 is better. But it's still lost it's connectivity, as it gained capability.
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I have tried to find the perfect mix of sporty and practical several times, most recently with a 440i Convertible, and I have failed every time. It sounds like others have come to similar conclusions. In that context, I am surprised that the 718 GT4 hasn't been brought up in this conversation as a way to get the "old school" Porsche experience but in a new car. I have put 2,997 miles on my GT4 in four months and every time I drive it I say "Wow! I love this car." I take it to the grocery store, the post office, did an 1100 mile round trip to Albany, NY with my wife. Likes? NA flat six that red lines at (only) 8,000 rpm, lovely six speed manual, fast enough to get you in trouble, great handling, buttons and ***** for most controls, steering wheel only used to steer the car, plenty of storage room between trunk and frunk. Dislikes? Not a car I'd like to sit in for a long daily commute in big-city traffic. My conclusion? I need two cars. A GT4 and something comfortable and boring.
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I have a 2011 997.2 TT-S with 8000 miles on it. And all of our Tesla's have many, many more miles on them. And we are getting a Taycan 4S which we expect to be our workhorse.

The 911 is a dream come true to me and commemorated a milestone in life. But quite frankly, with a family, it is not practical even it is fun to drive. If I have to do it, I will do it again with the understanding that it is a toy.
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Taycan as only car is a good option once kids are too big for the rear seats of a 911 (around 8). The taycan is great but definitely not a sports car. A Taycan + manual / na sports car is a great combination if you can swing it.
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Originally Posted by vcp13
Taycan as only car is a good option once kids are too big for the rear seats of a 911 (around 8). The taycan is great but definitely not a sports car. A Taycan + manual / na sports car is a great combination if you can swing it.

Thank you for your comment. I ordered a Taycan 4s and will trade in the 992. I am already looking for a 997, 993 or G-model 911 but need to save some money first
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You need to go on a Porsche track day and drive both cars.
you can push the 911 and u will run out of ***** before it does.
the Taycan didn’t turn
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