Sonnen Porsche

Hello Guys,

I managed to do a few drive scenarios over the last 2 days with the Taycan Turbo S to log as much mileage as I can and detail the trips. The car is equipped with the Mission E wheels in 21 inch size on all season tires. After driving for 2 days I made my way to the Novato Electrify America charging station to plug in and see how quickly the car would charge back up after my trips.

The car showed 232 miles of range on a 97% charge when I took off after some spirited demo drives earlier in the day:





Trip 1: The weather on trip 1 was terrible, torrential downpour, 50 degrees, wipers on med- high most of the trip, lights on, defroster occasionally on but no heater, 80's station on radio and a mix of freeway, back road driving from Mill Valley to Healdsburg and back to San Anselmo. I drove the car in NORMAL mode, recuperation on occasionally to slow down on the freeway and on the back roads and drove a total of 118.2 miles at an average speed of 55 mph using 35.8 KWH /100 miles used and the car showed 134 miles left of range when I parked the car.




Trip 2: The next morning I set out on a back road first going from San Anselmo over to Lucas valley road, past Skywalker Ranch and up to Petaluma with 134 miles of range showing when I left. The temp was 45 degrees and no rain this time, 80's again on the Burmester stereo, driving in Normal mode, recuperation set to on most of the time unless going up hill. I drove 33.8 miles at an average speed of 37 mph and used 29.2 KWH / 100 miles on that trip and arrived with 104 miles of range remaining on the car.





Trip 3: This was a very high speed run in Sport Plus mode, trying to maintain as high a speed as I could and use the throttle a few times to really jump on the gas. Also using the recuperation to slow the car a few times. 55 degrees and sunny weather with only Freeway driving, 80's again on Burmester. This definitely sucked down the juice more than the other drives. My results were 16.5 miles driven at a 75 mph average and 41.1 KWh/ 100 miles and the car showed only 75 miles of range left after this blast.




Trip 4: This was a mix of driving on the freeway mostly with some back roads in Normal mode, 80's on Burmester, some recuperation used for slowing down, 55 degrees and sunny and heading back from Santa Rosa to Novato to plug in at the Electrify America station. My results were 39.4 miles driven at an average of 55 mph with 33.6 KWH/ 100 miles used and the car showing 34 miles left of range. When the car dropped below 54 miles range I did get a warning on the car to find a charging station:












So to recap I drove a total of 207.7 miles over 2 days and the car had 34 miles left of range still showing on it when I plugged it in. So the 232 miles that the car registered when I set out at 97% of charge seems pretty close to the number. I think what was interesting is that the power consumption at light throttle at 70mph was very similar to the same thing at 50 mph.Only hitting 90 mph + did the car start drawing more current consistently and only 4-6 KWH more than at 50 mph. Planting the throttle however saw that number spike to 110 KWH + instantly and take a while to recover downward.

Now to the Electrify America charging station experience. I downloaded the app and added my credit card to it and then found the 350 KWH charging station in Novato.





Not surprisingly I was the only car plugged into the station and I proceeded to charge the car using the APP to unlock the charger and then see what it would do on this Taycan. I decided to plug in for 20 minutes and see what the end result would be as that is roughly what the speed we are claiming is based off for recharging. I started charging on the 350 KW charger and then the charger cut off at 18% for some reason. Now I was looking through the menus on the display when this occurred and I cannot say for certain that I did not hit a wrong button to stop the charging. So round 2 starting at 18% and again 20 minutes on the clock. At first I saw a spike to 196 KW charging rate and then it settled down to only 165 -167 KW charge. I am not sure if this is because the car was above a 10% charge, this is a very early production car, this station has some issues, or something else as I can only report what I saw at this one station. More testing on that is required to see what the actual results are once production cars are in folks hands and more than one station is used.





Once the car got to 56 % charged I noticed the charging rate dropped all the way down to around 100 KW:




After 20 minutes of charging the car I recorded the following:

18% -70% charged, 46.70 KWH delivered, $21.23 cost.





I hope this information is helpful for the forum and it sheds a little light on what the car is actually capable of and not conjecture. Again there are lots of factors involved in what you will get for range but this is what I did over these 2 days with a Taycan Turbo S. Thanks for reading.

manitou202

Thanks! This is exactly the data needed.

Looks like high speed cruising (75+) it's roughly the EPA range (204 miles) and mixed driving closer to 230-250 miles.

Impressive.

By the way, thanks for taking the time to get the data. Much appreciated.

Bob Roberts

The EPA test has an average speed of 48mph and a top speed of 60mph, and somehow it is 18% lower than the mixed driving.

It is unclear if the EPA test has 80s radio on and I noticed in this test, 80s radio was constantly on.

Maybe run the test again without the 80s radio on and see if you get something closer to the 198 mile range of the EPA test.

daveo4porsche

thanks @Sonnen Porsche

Sonnen Porsche

Thank you and I hope it helps folks who have not had a chance to drive the car a long distance. The Taycan 4S should get another 20 ish miles over this car once it is released and I will see if we can do the same test on it to verify. The 20 inch wheels apparently add approx 12 miles alone to the range.

daveo4porsche

this is consistent with other EV's - smaller wheels make a big difference for range - my Model X w/20" wheels is way more a range monster than my previous 22" wheels on a previous X.

Sonnen Porsche

I think my using the recuperation button and brakes for regen certainly helped the low speed driving and it is clear this car will do 250 miles on a full charge in those conditions. The 80's channel may have added a few miles of range but I could not be certain of that....

SFsoundguy

Thank you fo this exactly what I was looking for. It looks like its way better then the eTron which is all I needed.to know. Interesting to read about the EA station in Novato as I plan on using it on most trips up north so hopefully it working correctly by April. That said I have had many EVgo chargers stop after 18-20% and then just reset the session and it worked fine also helped that the app let me know it had stopped. I have found the docking of the DC charge port to the charging station is critical so once you get that down the system seems to work correctly. Since EA is included for free on the Taycan for 3 years ( limited to 30 minute sessions ) it will be nice not having to pay the 50c a kWh rate you where given!

osu s2k

So I still don’t get this whole Electrik thing my Audi diesel a eight can push 30 to 35 miles per gallon it would roughly cost me 6 gallons of fuel to go your 200 miles or so, and out here in the Midwest fuel right now is cheap at three bucks a gallon so I could do the same trip in about 20 bucks ?
I’m sure driving characteristics Of taycan are incredible but right now I don’t see the savings for me especially when I need at least a 250 mile range to drive out to DC or Chicago

SFsoundguy

The wheels will get you every time. I had 21s on the eTron and never got more than 178 miles. I had a loaner once with 19s and easily got over 200 miles a charge...

Needsdecaf

Thanks for the valuable data.


damn is that juice expensive out there!

SFsoundguy

If you charge any home on a EV rate the cost is around $12 so less than your diesel. If you use a fast charger its more expensive ( but free for 3 years with theTaycsan)
Yes if you have a one way trip that over 250 miles you cant do it without a pit stop to add some range but probably only 20 minutes and then once at the final destination you just recharge over night there.

Bob Roberts

I am not sure I understand this. Are you saying that it adds 12 miles compared to the 21s on the S (I am guessing it has 21s), and so you think that the 19s on the 4s would add another 20?

Or are you saying something else?

Bob Roberts

Are people spending $140k+ really hoping to spend a couple of dollars every fill up?
You also need to consider the cost of getting that first 250 miles - the cost of charging at home during off peak rates.

daveo4porsche

@osu s2k it's also less of an issue if your EV is closer to a 300 mile vehicle - the idea is that 250 miles is a rare dailiy need - and the few times a year you need more than daily usage the fast charging requirements are not that big of a deal or cost...

350 days a year it's no issue and you charged over night, saved money cause you're charging at home, never went to a gas station, and the car is zero emission and super quick - the 200+ mile use case is doable and rare - and honetly most people that have adapted to EV's quickly adapt and never want to drive a gas car again.

basically yeah EV's can't go very far, but they go far enough to cover 98% of your daily usage most of the year and the occasional time you need to fast charge it's worth the trade off for the better efficiency the rest of the year, and more convenient usage model year round - yeah your diesel can go father, but on how many days a year do you need all that range?