Taycan Turbo and some pricing
#16
I wouldn't be surprised if "Turbo" remains the branding of the top of the line Porsche cars, EV or not. Most non-enthusiasts don't even really understand turbocharging or forced induction, they just think "turbo" denotes fast or speed boost. We've seen it with the Macan, Cayenne, Panamera, and now even 911 (991.2) lines... all of which now have turbocharged engines from base to top of the line but "Turbo" still designates the top.
We enthusiasts are most excited about Taycan for now, but once they hit production a lot of buyers will be mainstream folks similar to Panamera or SUVs.
We enthusiasts are most excited about Taycan for now, but once they hit production a lot of buyers will be mainstream folks similar to Panamera or SUVs.
#17
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Actually, untrue. We leased a Leaf for a year while waiting for the new model Subaru Outback to come along a few years ago. Would never buy a Leaf again, but seriously considering the Cross Turismo ("unannounced" Taycan wagon version).
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
#18
I wouldn't be surprised if "Turbo" remains the branding of the top of the line Porsche cars, EV or not. Most non-enthusiasts don't even really understand turbocharging or forced induction, they just think "turbo" denotes fast or speed boost. We've seen it with the Macan, Cayenne, Panamera, and now even 911 (991.2) lines... all of which now have turbocharged engines from base to top of the line but "Turbo" still designates the top.
We enthusiasts are most excited about Taycan for now, but once they hit production a lot of buyers will be mainstream folks similar to Panamera or SUVs.
We enthusiasts are most excited about Taycan for now, but once they hit production a lot of buyers will be mainstream folks similar to Panamera or SUVs.
#19
The whole thing seems fishy to me. We heard early on that there would be three models of increasing horsepower, which makes sense to me, but the naming doesn’t. I could see Taycan 4, 4S and 4 GTS, but “turbo” on an EV just seems ridiculous (even more ridiculous than the old Intel 486 PCs that had a turbo button). We’ve also heard since the start that two engines would be standard and I’d hope they won’t deviate from that aspect.
#20
Actually, untrue. We leased a Leaf for a year while waiting for the new model Subaru Outback to come along a few years ago. Would never buy a Leaf again, but seriously considering the Cross Turismo ("unannounced" Taycan wagon version).
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
I hear what you are saying (and do agree that the time spent is equal) -- until induction charging hits then you just park over the induction charger and walk in.. no charging cables..but I do hear you.
#22
Burning Brakes
... Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
In practice, our Volt is generally always plugged in when home. My wife also takes advantage of workplace charging with it. OTOH, the Model 3 has so much range, I only bother to plug it in two or three times a week.
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Actually, untrue. We leased a Leaf for a year while waiting for the new model Subaru Outback to come along a few years ago. Would never buy a Leaf again, but seriously considering the Cross Turismo ("unannounced" Taycan wagon version).
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
Think about it. Come home with an ICE, walk in the door (but go to the gas station occasionally). Come home with an EV, pop the charge door, get the charging cable, plug it in (every day). Doesn't sound like much, but I think when you add it up, it comes out as a wash in terms of actual time spent at the gas station.
Takes about 30 seconds, max, to plug in the car and 30 seconds to unplug. So 7 minutes a week?
It's close to being a wash. But it's definitely more convenient then having to stop somewhere when you are out or make a special trip. Especially when I found myself low on gas on a Sunday night and didn't want to delay myself in the morning getting gas. That necessitated a special trip, which took about 20 minutes round trip. That was a not-so-infrequent occurrence.
#24
Brett - tell me more about why you'd never buy a leaf again? They have always intrigued me. Now I'm more curious
#25
Burning Brakes
Then there is the limited range and the dorky looks...
The new gen Leafs are a solid improvement and at least a little easier on the eye. But the new 40 kWh pack still has essentially no thermal management. The upcoming 60 kWh pack is supposed to be better managed, but details are still sparse.
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Whiz notes potential battery issues, but that wasn't a problem for us since we only had it a year.
My main issue was poor build quality (we had some kind of seal leak that resulted in water pooling in the front passenger foot well, which then fogged the windows). Leak magically fixed itself at some point. I also think the AC never worked (we picked the Leaf up in the fall and didn't turn it on until late in the next summer; that may also have had something to do with the window fogging if AC wasn't working as a dehumidifier). In the winter, we used to bundle up like we were going outside because using heat killed the range so badly. This was a 2013 Leaf, as I recall.
Also, I don't think front-wheel drive is a good idea with EVs. With high torque and touchy "throttle" response, if you are on an incline and the road is slick, hello, wheelspin!
If they've got the QC problems under control, a Leaf might make a good around-town errand-runner or (short) commuter car, but not much more.
My main issue was poor build quality (we had some kind of seal leak that resulted in water pooling in the front passenger foot well, which then fogged the windows). Leak magically fixed itself at some point. I also think the AC never worked (we picked the Leaf up in the fall and didn't turn it on until late in the next summer; that may also have had something to do with the window fogging if AC wasn't working as a dehumidifier). In the winter, we used to bundle up like we were going outside because using heat killed the range so badly. This was a 2013 Leaf, as I recall.
Also, I don't think front-wheel drive is a good idea with EVs. With high torque and touchy "throttle" response, if you are on an incline and the road is slick, hello, wheelspin!
If they've got the QC problems under control, a Leaf might make a good around-town errand-runner or (short) commuter car, but not much more.
#28
Three Wheelin'
Whiz notes potential battery issues, but that wasn't a problem for us since we only had it a year.
My main issue was poor build quality (we had some kind of seal leak that resulted in water pooling in the front passenger foot well, which then fogged the windows). Leak magically fixed itself at some point. I also think the AC never worked (we picked the Leaf up in the fall and didn't turn it on until late in the next summer; that may also have had something to do with the window fogging if AC wasn't working as a dehumidifier). In the winter, we used to bundle up like we were going outside because using heat killed the range so badly. This was a 2013 Leaf, as I recall.
Also, I don't think front-wheel drive is a good idea with EVs. With high torque and touchy "throttle" response, if you are on an incline and the road is slick, hello, wheelspin!
If they've got the QC problems under control, a Leaf might make a good around-town errand-runner or (short) commuter car, but not much more.
My main issue was poor build quality (we had some kind of seal leak that resulted in water pooling in the front passenger foot well, which then fogged the windows). Leak magically fixed itself at some point. I also think the AC never worked (we picked the Leaf up in the fall and didn't turn it on until late in the next summer; that may also have had something to do with the window fogging if AC wasn't working as a dehumidifier). In the winter, we used to bundle up like we were going outside because using heat killed the range so badly. This was a 2013 Leaf, as I recall.
Also, I don't think front-wheel drive is a good idea with EVs. With high torque and touchy "throttle" response, if you are on an incline and the road is slick, hello, wheelspin!
If they've got the QC problems under control, a Leaf might make a good around-town errand-runner or (short) commuter car, but not much more.
Last edited by SuperUser; 01-05-2019 at 08:50 AM.
#30
Pricing and build total
saw where Porsche officially announced the increase to 40k in production units of the first year of taycan, also keep seeing an increase in pricing on instagram
anyone else see a raise in prices for the three models?
thanks,
anyone else see a raise in prices for the three models?
thanks,