taycan spy shots
02-12-2019, 04:16 PM
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Tough decision for me. Regardless, I'm pleased that Porsche is listening to its customers and has good products in the pipeline.
02-12-2019, 10:28 PM
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Size estimates
I spent some time analyzing photos of mules, trying to estimate the height and length of the mules. I took two approaches: seeing how tall the car is next to Wark Webber and Walter Rohrl in their videos/photos, as well as examining the diameters of the wheels and tires.
I estimate a height of approximately 52", with my 90% confidence interval around 51.5" to 52.5". This is based off the size next to Mark Weber and Walter Rohrl, as well as wheel diameter comparison in three different mule photos. All five estimates came within 0.5" of each other.
The length of the car is harder to estimate from photos due to perspective. You need a photo taken with a telephoto lens from far away at a perfect right angle to the car to get a good estimate. My rough estimate is 185" length, with a 90% confidence interval around 182" to 190".
I am more confident in estimating the wheelbase from photos. It looks to be around 113 inches, with my 90% confidence interval being 111.5" to 115".
The winter mules have been wearing 20" wheels with what I suspect are 265/40R20 fronts and 295/35R20 rears. For reference, nominal 20" wheels have an outer diameter of around 21.5" lip edge to lip edge. It looks like the Taycan will get 19", 20", and 21" wheel options.
My width estimate is 74" (excluding mirrors), with a 90% confidence interval of 73" to 75". This estimate is based off only two photos (http://carsoverviews.com/wp-content/...aycan-rear.jpg and https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/g7...-top-image.jpg).
Overall, based on my estimates it's around the same length as a Tesla Model 3, but around an inch wider, and around 5" less tall. This is why the Taycan looks much more sleek and sporty than a Model 3.
I estimate a height of approximately 52", with my 90% confidence interval around 51.5" to 52.5". This is based off the size next to Mark Weber and Walter Rohrl, as well as wheel diameter comparison in three different mule photos. All five estimates came within 0.5" of each other.
The length of the car is harder to estimate from photos due to perspective. You need a photo taken with a telephoto lens from far away at a perfect right angle to the car to get a good estimate. My rough estimate is 185" length, with a 90% confidence interval around 182" to 190".
I am more confident in estimating the wheelbase from photos. It looks to be around 113 inches, with my 90% confidence interval being 111.5" to 115".
The winter mules have been wearing 20" wheels with what I suspect are 265/40R20 fronts and 295/35R20 rears. For reference, nominal 20" wheels have an outer diameter of around 21.5" lip edge to lip edge. It looks like the Taycan will get 19", 20", and 21" wheel options.
My width estimate is 74" (excluding mirrors), with a 90% confidence interval of 73" to 75". This estimate is based off only two photos (http://carsoverviews.com/wp-content/...aycan-rear.jpg and https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/g7...-top-image.jpg).
Overall, based on my estimates it's around the same length as a Tesla Model 3, but around an inch wider, and around 5" less tall. This is why the Taycan looks much more sleek and sporty than a Model 3.
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02-12-2019, 10:55 PM
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I find it scary the info people can get just looking at photos.
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02-14-2019, 02:23 PM
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So... basically the dimensions of the Mission E concept. Surprise.
02-16-2019, 12:46 AM
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It is a small sports car sized wagon, and I love that. It’s only an inch wider and less than an inch taller than a 992 generation 911, and probably about 8 or 9 inches longer. It’s the same size a hypothetical 911 wagon would be. A low sports car height wagon would be unique on the market and stand out on the road, particularly next to the crossovers most people seem to be going for these days.
02-16-2019, 11:42 AM
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I’m on the deposit list but have gradually been losing enthusiasm the more spy photos surface, both due to styling (too similar to Panamera and not enough like the Mission E concept) and size (too small).
I have a GT3 Touring and a 981 Spyder, so I have my sports cars covered. For DD, I currently use a Cayenne Turbo, which is large/luxurious, comfortable, practical, and plenty quick (my first ever SUV). Just not very sexy. Have previously used as DD: Panamera Turbo S, Audi RS7, BMW 650i Grand Coupe, BMW 335i Gran Coupe, Audi S4 Avant, etc. so obviously I like swoopy 4-door hatchback coupes and wagons. Of them all, the Panamera was the best compromise of driving character, size, interior space/luxury, and practicality, IMO. But the height of the Cayenne is convenient sometimes.
The new Panamera wagon is very attractive, and by the time Taycans are delivered, there will probably be a fair number of them available with low miles CPO for 30% or more off MSRP. That’ll be pretty compelling vs a new Taycan especially if Taycan turns out to be, basically, just a smaller Panamera with electric propulsion.
I have a GT3 Touring and a 981 Spyder, so I have my sports cars covered. For DD, I currently use a Cayenne Turbo, which is large/luxurious, comfortable, practical, and plenty quick (my first ever SUV). Just not very sexy. Have previously used as DD: Panamera Turbo S, Audi RS7, BMW 650i Grand Coupe, BMW 335i Gran Coupe, Audi S4 Avant, etc. so obviously I like swoopy 4-door hatchback coupes and wagons. Of them all, the Panamera was the best compromise of driving character, size, interior space/luxury, and practicality, IMO. But the height of the Cayenne is convenient sometimes.
The new Panamera wagon is very attractive, and by the time Taycans are delivered, there will probably be a fair number of them available with low miles CPO for 30% or more off MSRP. That’ll be pretty compelling vs a new Taycan especially if Taycan turns out to be, basically, just a smaller Panamera with electric propulsion.
02-16-2019, 12:07 PM
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I’m on the deposit list but have gradually been losing enthusiasm the more spy photos surface, both due to styling (too similar to Panamera and not enough like the Mission E concept) and size (too small).
I have a GT3 Touring and a 981 Spyder, so I have my sports cars covered. For DD, I currently use a Cayenne Turbo, which is large/luxurious, comfortable, practical, and plenty quick (my first ever SUV). Just not very sexy. Have previously used as DD: Panamera Turbo S, Audi RS7, BMW 650i Grand Coupe, BMW 335i Gran Coupe, Audi S4 Avant, etc. so obviously I like swoopy 4-door hatchback coupes and wagons. Of them all, the Panamera was the best compromise of driving character, size, interior space/luxury, and practicality, IMO. But the height of the Cayenne is convenient sometimes.
The new Panamera wagon is very attractive, and by the time Taycans are delivered, there will probably be a fair number of them available with low miles CPO for 30% or more off MSRP. That’ll be pretty compelling vs a new Taycan especially if Taycan turns out to be, basically, just a smaller Panamera with electric propulsion.
I have a GT3 Touring and a 981 Spyder, so I have my sports cars covered. For DD, I currently use a Cayenne Turbo, which is large/luxurious, comfortable, practical, and plenty quick (my first ever SUV). Just not very sexy. Have previously used as DD: Panamera Turbo S, Audi RS7, BMW 650i Grand Coupe, BMW 335i Gran Coupe, Audi S4 Avant, etc. so obviously I like swoopy 4-door hatchback coupes and wagons. Of them all, the Panamera was the best compromise of driving character, size, interior space/luxury, and practicality, IMO. But the height of the Cayenne is convenient sometimes.
The new Panamera wagon is very attractive, and by the time Taycans are delivered, there will probably be a fair number of them available with low miles CPO for 30% or more off MSRP. That’ll be pretty compelling vs a new Taycan especially if Taycan turns out to be, basically, just a smaller Panamera with electric propulsion.
The Taycan is a shortened and flattenned (lower) Panamera with bulging fenders. The concept was that too, but with suicide doors and more exaggerated unaerodynamic bulges. You can also think of the 992 that’s been stretched with two more doors added.
The Taycan is an electric sports car that happens to have four doors, rather than a luxury barge (competing with the S class, 7 series, Benley Flying Spur, Panamera, Lexus LS etc). It’s not intended to be an electric Panamera. For people like myself who want a low, wide, sports car but also like the practicality of a four door wagon, this gives both, making it perfect for me.
02-16-2019, 01:22 PM
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I like the fact that it's quite a bit smaller than the Panamera. It should still fit 4 comfortably on short trips. I'm not planning on a lot of cross-country drives with 4 adults, but I need a car that I can take 4 out to lunch in. This should fit the bill perfectly. The Panamera GTS that I have is a really huge car, and I just don't need that much room.
02-17-2019, 11:29 AM
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The Panamera sucks size wise. It's suuuuper long but has very limited backseat and not a huge trunk. Even in wagon form. Basically it's all front end. Very poorly packaged. Compared to our Cayenne, which is shorter, has more rear seat legroom and a much bigger cargo area naturally.
Would expect the Taycan to be much better considering the fact that it has no ICE or transmission to take up space.
Would expect the Taycan to be much better considering the fact that it has no ICE or transmission to take up space.
02-17-2019, 01:36 PM
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The Panamera sucks size wise. It's suuuuper long but has very limited backseat and not a huge trunk. Even in wagon form. Basically it's all front end. Very poorly packaged. Compared to our Cayenne, which is shorter, has more rear seat legroom and a much bigger cargo area naturally.
Would expect the Taycan to be much better considering the fact that it has no ICE or transmission to take up space.
Would expect the Taycan to be much better considering the fact that it has no ICE or transmission to take up space.
02-17-2019, 01:53 PM
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If Taycan is able to provide as much interior room for people and cargo as Panamera Sport Tourismo by way of better packaging despite smaller overall dimensions, then I’m much more likely to want one. Perhaps it’s Taycan will actually have a usable middle back seat, too, since it shouldn’t have the larger transmission tunnel in center. Again, if true, that would make it very attractive to me.
Point being, electric propulsion alone isn’t enough to make me want a Taycan vs a Panamera. I’m not motivated enough by either its environmental green-ness or potential fuel savings, the latter of which is far, far canceled out by the much higher purchase price of a new Taycan vs a used Panamera.
To really want a Taycan, it’s gotta offer more, and to me that more would be performance and styling that can’t be matched by a Panamera, while ALSO offering similar utility as a Panamera, which means decent interior room for 4 (ideally 5) people and decent cargo.
Passenger room may be addressed with packaging (shorter hood, no rear transmission tunnel), and cargo room may be mitigated by the addition of a small front trunk.
But if styling is dull and not not even close to the Mission e Concept, I’m probably out.
Point being, electric propulsion alone isn’t enough to make me want a Taycan vs a Panamera. I’m not motivated enough by either its environmental green-ness or potential fuel savings, the latter of which is far, far canceled out by the much higher purchase price of a new Taycan vs a used Panamera.
To really want a Taycan, it’s gotta offer more, and to me that more would be performance and styling that can’t be matched by a Panamera, while ALSO offering similar utility as a Panamera, which means decent interior room for 4 (ideally 5) people and decent cargo.
Passenger room may be addressed with packaging (shorter hood, no rear transmission tunnel), and cargo room may be mitigated by the addition of a small front trunk.
But if styling is dull and not not even close to the Mission e Concept, I’m probably out.