Porsche Announces (some) Taycan EV Performance Specs
07-30-2018, 12:02 PM
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Burning Brakes
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Porsche Announces (some) Taycan EV Performance Specs
just saw this...http://www.thedrive.com/news/22495/p...formance-specs
07-30-2018, 02:52 PM
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07-30-2018, 03:08 PM
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Very cool. Thanks for posting.
07-30-2018, 03:34 PM
#4
Glad they're going for range, and serving the practical end of EV street/track dichotomy. Weren't some folks just denying: "Range is one of the most important criteria for the buyers of electric vehicles."? 
No weight spec. Second gear?
No weight spec. Second gear?
07-30-2018, 04:20 PM
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I'm a potential buyer.
I know it's all guesses and etc. What do you guys think is the price after options and etc? <100k?
Also, will the car look as cool as Mission E? I know they are ditching side mirror and suicide door but... will it look good?
Size? Smaller than panamera?
I know it's all guesses and etc. What do you guys think is the price after options and etc? <100k?
Also, will the car look as cool as Mission E? I know they are ditching side mirror and suicide door but... will it look good?
Size? Smaller than panamera?
07-31-2018, 01:01 AM
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I'm curious how much Porsche will charge to use their charging stations.
07-31-2018, 09:51 AM
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Burning Brakes
A gas equivalent car, traveling 225 miles, getting 30 mpg, requiring premium gas (all Porsches), and assuming $3.40 a gallon (current national average for premium), costs $25.50 to fill up.
So, Porsche could charge a hefty premium for electricity and it would still cost less to fill up an electric car versus a gasoline equivalent.
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07-31-2018, 11:08 AM
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Tesla currently charges between 24 and 26 cents per kWh, so around 21 bucks for 80% top up for a P100. When network costs and other network upgrade costs start being factored in you are looking at 40 cents a kWh (approx) and thats before the government starts to add a cut.
I priced out three power walls, new solar panels, supporting infrastructure, minor modifications plus labor ~ $28,000. If you look at this as gallons ~ 8,000 which equates to 248,000 miles. Doesn't really stack up for me.
I priced out three power walls, new solar panels, supporting infrastructure, minor modifications plus labor ~ $28,000. If you look at this as gallons ~ 8,000 which equates to 248,000 miles. Doesn't really stack up for me.
Last edited by groundhog; 07-31-2018 at 11:43 AM.
07-31-2018, 11:33 AM
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I'm not sure where groundhog gets that Porsche will charge $0.40/kwh when the competition does the same thing for $0.24/kwh - Commerical charging from Chargepoint, Blink, EVGo, and Tesla all run about $0.2x/kWh to charge in the wild, while charging at home is subject to what ever residential rate you are paying.
$0.37xx is about the break even point for kWh charge to equal the same cost per mile as a gas car at $3.87/gallon (actual prices seen on my road trip last week on the west coast).
we will have to wait and see what Porsche will charge, but I'd be disappointed if they made it more expensive than gasoline since that's not really the point.
$0.37xx is about the break even point for kWh charge to equal the same cost per mile as a gas car at $3.87/gallon (actual prices seen on my road trip last week on the west coast).
we will have to wait and see what Porsche will charge, but I'd be disappointed if they made it more expensive than gasoline since that's not really the point.
07-31-2018, 08:11 PM
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Dave - at this point in time no one is paying the true cost for a charge - Tesla has made the first move by raising the cost to between 24 cents and 26 cents and this is off the back of very low wholesale rates (electricity is cheap in the US). It is worth noting Tesla is making very little margin if any.
There are multiple pricing models in the pipeline - optimistic models indicate numbers between ~ 30 and 32.5 cents per kWh. This is very dependent on wholesale rates in line with current pricing.
No no one in the industry buys that scenario because it is envisaged that an additional 15% (optimistic) to 25% (pessimistic) percent extra generation capacity will be needed and that's without the poles and wire component. This in turn is dependent in uptake rates etc.
The best long term scenarios are where one has the equivalent of three power walls at home and the panel area/ sun hours to support them. This provides significant charging capacity and substantial offsets against grid acquired power.
There are models being developed that include premiums for fast charging and premiums for locations - plenty of models out there that include government/ state tax.
Time will tell but it's fair to say the true economic cost will need to be paid at some point.
Its good to have these discussions 😀
There are multiple pricing models in the pipeline - optimistic models indicate numbers between ~ 30 and 32.5 cents per kWh. This is very dependent on wholesale rates in line with current pricing.
No no one in the industry buys that scenario because it is envisaged that an additional 15% (optimistic) to 25% (pessimistic) percent extra generation capacity will be needed and that's without the poles and wire component. This in turn is dependent in uptake rates etc.
The best long term scenarios are where one has the equivalent of three power walls at home and the panel area/ sun hours to support them. This provides significant charging capacity and substantial offsets against grid acquired power.
There are models being developed that include premiums for fast charging and premiums for locations - plenty of models out there that include government/ state tax.
Time will tell but it's fair to say the true economic cost will need to be paid at some point.
Its good to have these discussions 😀
Last edited by groundhog; 07-31-2018 at 08:38 PM.
07-31-2018, 08:18 PM
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Not that it really matters, as cost isn't the reason I'd buy an EV anyway. If it's a great car, I'll buy it regardless. If my Spyder got 4 miles to the gallon, I'd still own it.
07-31-2018, 08:43 PM
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Porsche is dipping their beak into electric cars soon. I don't think it will catch on because it's going to be too expensive. When one is looking to spend 80-120k on a car, gasoline prices or usage is a priority. It's going to be slowerand heavier than a gasoline powered 911...what do you think people will rather buy? Oh...so it's actually marketed as practical sedan/suv that's electric and sporty. Most will buy a Subaru for 1/4 the cost.
07-31-2018, 08:56 PM
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At off peak residential rates an EV is way cheaper than a gas car (for most metropolitan areas) - at commercial fast Charger rates the gap closes some what - kinda like eating out at restaurants vs eating at home ...
this obviously varies by price of gas and electricity...
lower per mile maintainence costs also also favor the EV - but “fuel” costs can be the same as gasoline per mile if you are paying high kWh costs...
my residential cost of $0.1254/kWh off peak in San Jose and 2.71 miles per kWh yields a fuel cost of $0.0462/mile driven vs gas at 28 mph at $4.02/gallon (local actual price today at chevron in San Jose area) yielding a per mile fuel cost of $0.1435 per mile or about 3 time more expensive to fuel the gas car...
keep in mind most of the time the best use case for an EV is charge at home off peak rates - if you depend on commercial fast charging the cost savings may be minimal on the fuel side.
the Chevy Bolt gets closer to 4.12 miles per kWh so it’s cost per mile is $0.0304/mile vs a 42 mpg car @ $4.02/gallon being $0.0957 per mile
the Tesla model 3 is about 3.8 miles/kWh so you can do the math...
but it if you’re paying $0.52/kWh the EV is going to be more expensive to fuel than a gas car until gas approaches $5/gallon
howerver at $0.52/kWh solar is really cost effective and can pull your costs back in line to be cheaper than gas for transportation...
this obviously varies by price of gas and electricity...
lower per mile maintainence costs also also favor the EV - but “fuel” costs can be the same as gasoline per mile if you are paying high kWh costs...
my residential cost of $0.1254/kWh off peak in San Jose and 2.71 miles per kWh yields a fuel cost of $0.0462/mile driven vs gas at 28 mph at $4.02/gallon (local actual price today at chevron in San Jose area) yielding a per mile fuel cost of $0.1435 per mile or about 3 time more expensive to fuel the gas car...
keep in mind most of the time the best use case for an EV is charge at home off peak rates - if you depend on commercial fast charging the cost savings may be minimal on the fuel side.
the Chevy Bolt gets closer to 4.12 miles per kWh so it’s cost per mile is $0.0304/mile vs a 42 mpg car @ $4.02/gallon being $0.0957 per mile
the Tesla model 3 is about 3.8 miles/kWh so you can do the math...
but it if you’re paying $0.52/kWh the EV is going to be more expensive to fuel than a gas car until gas approaches $5/gallon
howerver at $0.52/kWh solar is really cost effective and can pull your costs back in line to be cheaper than gas for transportation...
07-31-2018, 08:58 PM
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Then why buy a panamera vs a bmw 5 series or a Macan vs. a Audi Q5? Porsche will have the same appeal it always does a performance version of the car for its segment - the Taycan isn’t competing with a 911.
07-31-2018, 09:08 PM
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Dave - the real secret to this is getting large capacity home solar set ups down to a price point that makes sense. This will happen but will take time. Keep in mind that by the time a 10% E vehicle fleet is in place there probably won't be something known as off peak power. Why? because the market will respond to demand and price accordingly.