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C.J. Ichiban

The Mission E has a shorter hood vs the Panamera so the overall vehicle length is smaller. The mules are everywhere in Stuttgart. It looks closer to an A5/S5 sportback vs the full size Panamera.

Sonnen Porsche

The prototype I saw in Frankfurt was the same length as a Cayenne and 9 inches shorter than a new Panamera. We will see what size the production car is next year but I think it will still be E Class Mercedes sized and not S Class.... Length4,850 mm (190.9 in)Width1,990 mm (78.3 in)Height1,300 mm (51.2 in)Kerb weight~2,000 kg (4,409.2 lb)

GreggT

Shorter and wider than a Panamera........OK I'm definitely in then
Sarcasm aside....and I've said this before but....'looking like the 2015 prototype' is my primary metric. I can shop for a different car any number of places.

FlatSix911

Interesting review and video ... Porsche’s all-electric Mission E is a ‘game change’, says pro-driver Mark Webber after test drive

There are not many people who had the chance to drive the Mission E, Porsche’s first all-electric vehicle, but pro-driver Mark Webber is one of them and he gave his impressions after a day at the track with one of the latest prototypes.Now Webber works for Porsche so he is not exactly an unbiased party, but I still think his comments, especially his comparisons with other Porsche vehicles, were interesting.

Here’s what he had to say after a Mission E test drive at Porsche’s test track in Weissach:“I’ve got many Porsche moments that will stay with me forever – winning the WEC in the 919 Hybrid would be one – and I think I’ve just experienced another: driving the Mission E for the first time.It’s a game changer, this car. Quite literally, it is stealth in motion.

I’m a bit of an old-school kind of guy and I love nothing more than to drive so I don’t mind admitting I had some reservations. I thought that the Mission E could feel a little heavy but the driving experience is seriously dynamic: the four-wheel steering, the performance and the braking ability were a really amazing experience.

Porsche says that they are aiming for the vehicle to have “over 310 miles of range” (500 km) on a single charge, but they announced that back when it was based on the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC), which is much more forgiving than the EPA rating and doesn’t really reflect real-world range. It’s should still have a more than decent range of more than 250 miles.

Though the automaker is also rumored to be aiming to offer different range options with different battery packs, it’s not clear if 250 miles is the base or top option – hopefully, it’s the minimum. The company has previously been talking about a 0 to 60 mph acceleration in 3.5 seconds and earlier this year, a Porsche executive said that the Mission E will be able to go long distances at high-speed, like traveling on the German autobahn, or to complete a few laps on the race track. The Mission E is expected to hit production next year.

GreggT

Yep.....not really sure what Porsche was trying to accomplish on this other that it's been almost three months since there's been much of any press on the 'E' so there needed to have something out there......will see what info (or car) they bring to Rennsport.

chuck911

A few laps.

Wow.

That many.

Game changer, indeed.

daveo4porsche

for once @chuck911 and I agree - if it's only a "few laps" then I'll be disappointed in Porsche - although I wouldn't focus on number of laps - rather duration - I expect a high performance street car to run for 20-30 minutes at a high performance track event before needing a break (driver and car) - if the car can run solid for 20-30 minutes then I'll have no problems with it - it's a street car and they are allowed to not have the stamina of a dedicated race car - I don't run my 911's for more than 30 minute sessions - street tires/brakes/drivers all need breaks after about that amount of time (my friend's BMW 5 series is pretty loose and greasy after about 20 minutes on track and the breaks need a proper cool down - so 4 doors sedans vs. track use have their limits - the BMW is always better when it's fresh for the next session after a rest).

I was at a track day this past week @ thunder hill - it was private and casual and I got to lap my Tesla Model S P85D for a few laps - and no matter how much I love my Tesla as a daily driver - it's truly an awful track car - the battery thermals kicked in about at turn 9 where the computers limited power output to 250'ish kilo-watts vs. it's normal 450 kilo-watt power output - to control battery thermals - the car is still fun to drive, but lacks the punch once the limiter kicks in - but it is a heavy pondering beast of a car on track - but I still love it for street driving (it's wonderful to drive it to the track w/auto pilot to flog my GT3 which properly awesome on track).

NOTE: I'm reasonably sure Tesla is playing a very very conservative game with their battery management given they warranty the battery for 8 years/unlimited miles - I think there is more to be had with the car/battery and it could run for longer at higher temps, but I'm nearly sure the current battery thermal behavior is more about cost management for battery warranty concerns than actual damage to the LiON battery - but since I'm not part of Tesla I'll never know for sure.

I'll be severely disappointed in the Mission-E if it's can't complete a normal intermediate HPDE session.

JMartinni

High performance street car... Does a base Panamera - which I wouldn't call a "high performance" street car and is of similar size, weight and starting price to what's projected for a base Mission E - have issues with 20-30 minute track sessions? If not I wouldn't expect the Mission E to have issues either (and the Mission E might well perform better).

MaxLTV

It will not be able to for sure, and not even because of the batteries. There are no streetable tires that can handle 4400+ lbs AND 600hp for even 20 minutes. Even a 991 GT3 with 3200lbs and under 500hp on MPSC2 is getting noticeably slower after 15 minutes at full tilt. To last a full session at a good pace with that much power it has to be under 3000lbs, which is not going to happen for electric cars for many years.

JMartinni

The old Tesla roadster was under that weight, as is the BMW i3 and many older EVs.

4pipes

FastCarSlo

daveo4porsche

I've done track days with Tesla - if they have fast chargers along major routes it should be no problem - the real key will be for Porsche to license/co-operation with Tesla and be allowed to use Tesla's supercharger network - if they can do that and have their own 800 volt chargers it will be very practical day one

also you can charge at most tracks on an RV hook up 240 volts @ 40 amps = 31 miles of range per hour of charge - do that through out hte day and then charge while you're packing up the car - and hit a Chademo/DCFast/Tesla/Porsche fast charger and getting home should be no problem...

unclewill

Why is everyone here so obsessed with taking a street car to the track? Electric cars are for the daily slog to work - 99% of most people's driving.