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It won't be that bad. BMW has been using this system for a few years now and the camera is built into the driver's display. There's nothing to stop Porsche from adopting the same solution.
It won't be that bad. BMW has been using this system for a few years now and the camera is built into the driver's display. There's nothing to stop Porsche from adopting the same solution.
look at the pic i attached of the cayenne, it's same unit LR/RR are using stuck onto steering column - this has already been confirmed by porsche across all models, and they are deleting the leather stitch steering column as a result = there is no bmw like integration
and yes my lci m3 touring has the sensor built into the screen
look at the pic i attached of the cayenne, it's same unit LR/RR are using stuck onto steering column - this has already been confirmed by porsche across all models, and they are deleting the leather stitch steering column as a result = there is no bmw like integration
and yes my lci m3 touring has the sensor built into the screen
DMS will be introduced in all new cars from July 2026. So I think that Porsche will introduce this system in MY2027 with the second facelift. What you see now in the Cayenne is probably integration tests with the car's controllers, which does not mean that it will look like this in the production phase.
For now, European configurators do not show this system.
From: northwest US, but also victoria b.c. and nyc
interesting. so the point of this is to give a vehicle the ability to what? provide alert notifications to the driver to pay attention to the road? or is it being implemented more as a supporting element to driver assistance systems - i.e. if you are not paying attention it will do an auditory alert, prompting you to engage...and engagement could include touching the wheel and looking at the road? if someone falls asleep or has a medical issue, it seems like a potential life saver. i could see it being a plus if it is done properly. I could also see it being a bit annoying if implementation is too strict. say i'm sitting at a stop light and looking at the car next to me...will it boop at me? if i am just crawling a parking lot looking for spaces will it boop at me? those are a couple cases i would hope that they would handle w some grace.
interesting. so the point of this is to give a vehicle the ability to what? provide alert notifications to the driver to pay attention to the road? or is it being implemented more as a supporting element to driver assistance systems - i.e. if you are not paying attention it will do an auditory alert, prompting you to engage...and engagement could include touching the wheel and looking at the road? if someone falls asleep or has a medical issue, it seems like a potential life saver. i could see it being a plus if it is done properly. I could also see it being a bit annoying if implementation is too strict. say i'm sitting at a stop light and looking at the car next to me...will it boop at me? if i am just crawling a parking lot looking for spaces will it boop at me? those are a couple cases i would hope that they would handle w some grace.
Contrary to appearances, this is a very useful function. In BMW it works brilliantly and "reads" the eyes even through sunglasses with EV filters.
It is used not only to track the driver's fatigue or their potential sleepiness. It can replace the capacitive steering wheel and instead of touching it, it is enough to look at the road so that the assistance system continues to drive the car automatically.
It is very useful in the case of Traffic Jam Assist. Now, when standing in a traffic jam, after a dozen or so seconds this function turns off and to move off you have to press the accelerator pedal or pull the lever of the assistance system on the steering wheel. In BMW, when standing in a traffic jam, if the car in front of you starts moving, a quiet audible signal sounds and you only need to look at the road so that your car starts moving too.
the slippery slope of constant surveillance.
they'd save more lives with mandatory driving skills testing and pay for it by cutting out a lot of the electrocrap .
I'm confused. Isn't this already in place? My MB notices when I start to nod and says take a coffee break or something similar.
My (previous) MB (‘22 E450) would do that to me on my 500 mile drives, I wasn’t nodding off at all. I suspected it was because I had a very light touch on the steering wheel. I do most of those drives at night (less traffic) and didn’t need a death grip on the wheel. It was very annoying for me, wish there was a way to adjust the sensitivity.
Contrary to appearances, this is a very useful function. In BMW it works brilliantly and "reads" the eyes even through sunglasses with EV filters.
It is used not only to track the driver's fatigue or their potential sleepiness. It can replace the capacitive steering wheel and instead of touching it, it is enough to look at the road so that the assistance system continues to drive the car automatically.
It is very useful in the case of Traffic Jam Assist. Now, when standing in a traffic jam, after a dozen or so seconds this function turns off and to move off you have to press the accelerator pedal or pull the lever of the assistance system on the steering wheel. In BMW, when standing in a traffic jam, if the car in front of you starts moving, a quiet audible signal sounds and you only need to look at the road so that your car starts moving too.
Disagree.
In my BMW, my wheel position blocks the sensors. If I want to use hands free level 2, I have to adjust the wheel out of my preferred position. This sensor location solves that problem but also blocks view of the cluster.
And while I agree it's useful if you want to use L2 ADAS hands free, mandatory for all driver monitoring is ANNOYING depending on how sensitive it's set. I forget what video it was, but I was watching a car review where if the driver even so much as glanced at the enormous manufacturer supplied infotainment screen to do basic functions because now everything is buried in a touchscreen forcing you to take your eyes off the road, it would beep and call for you to look at the road.
Between this and the "alert when you go 2 kph over the limit" and the mandatory default to on lane departure warning..........complete nanny state. Awful.
My (previous) MB (‘22 E450) would do that to me on my 500 mile drives, I wasn’t nodding off at all. I suspected it was because I had a very light touch on the steering wheel. I do most of those drives at night (less traffic) and didn’t need a death grip on the wheel. It was very annoying for me, wish there was a way to adjust the sensitivity.
Obviously, I had to go dig.
Mercedes Attention Assist first sets a baseline in the first 15 minutes of driving and then monitors driver behaviour against a threshold before alerting. Monitoring is based on behavioral analytics, sensors and driver facing cameras in newer models.
Algorithm defines fatigue as a a subtle degradation in driving control e.g., Small steering corrections, inconsistent inputs, delayed reactions.
In my BMW, my wheel position blocks the sensors. If I want to use hands free level 2, I have to adjust the wheel out of my preferred position. This sensor location solves that problem but also blocks view of the cluster.
And while I agree it's useful if you want to use L2 ADAS hands free, mandatory for all driver monitoring is ANNOYING depending on how sensitive it's set. I forget what video it was, but I was watching a car review where if the driver even so much as glanced at the enormous manufacturer supplied infotainment screen to do basic functions because now everything is buried in a touchscreen forcing you to take your eyes off the road, it would beep and call for you to look at the road.
Between this and the "alert when you go 2 kph over the limit" and the mandatory default to on lane departure warning..........complete nanny state. Awful.
In BMWs, the cameras are located at the top of the driver's display. I don't think the steering wheel obscures them. To find out their exact location, turn on your phone's camera and point it at the display. The cameras emit infrared beams, so they can be easily located with your phone's camera.
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