jmrichards

By killing off the ICE 718 instead of keeping "all of the above" available and doubling down on electric when it is clear customers don't agree, Porsche is satisfying politicians not customers. I for one will never buy an electric Porsche, and I will probably never buy an new Porsche again.

ldamelio

I tend to agree although I wouldn't politicize and simplify the choice. The regulatory environment is becoming more complex and they have no choice but to deal with it. The current car could no longer be sold in the EU for some cybersecurity regulation I don't fully understand.

The 718 needed to evolve. The fundamental architecture is the same as the 981, now 12 + years old. I wished they had gone mild hybrid like the 992 GTS rather than EV.

chassis

ICE will be around longer than any company is publicly stating.

justabout

I want to believe!

jmrichards

From the beginning Porsche knew about the benefit of mid-engine. It just proved too expensive to make when the company started production:

https://carbuzz.com/features/9-facts...about-porsche/

Now with the 963, as well as with F1 and Indy cars we know the superiority of a mid engine layout for a track car. Porsche's only mid engine car is now being retired in the name of EU regulations. I have a 911 and love it, but anyone who follows racing has to admit that the recent 911's are more GT cars than race cars. There will always be exceptional drivers who can win major races in a 911, but most mortals will struggle with the rear engine set up of the 911's at the limit. I for one am sorry to see Porsche move away from their founder's idea of a lightweight mid engine sports car. Buy a 718 while you still can!

crikett

>By killing off the ICE 718 instead of keeping "all of the above" available and doubling down on electric when it is clear customers don't agree, Porsche is satisfying politicians not customers. I for one will never buy an electric Porsche, and I will probably never buy an new Porsche again.

The 982 was not a viable option to continue with production. Producing more of a product that can't be sold in the EU, and has low sales elsewhere makes no sense. It would be simpler, and probably more economical, for Porsche just to throw large sums of cash into an incinerator, and get basically the same result. The 983 is based on a shared platform, that is bespoke EV - there is no way to put an engine in the car. So, in order to continue to offer and ICE and/or hybrid, Porsche would need to spend a massive amount of money to develop a new car from the ground up. If they started doing this a few years ago, then it would be available to sell along side the 983 EV in just a few more years... but, just a few years into production, it wouldn't be able to be sold in the key markets they need to sell it in order to begin coming close to recoup the costs.

While the 982 is a great platform with lots of great cars, and it is a shame it isn't going to continue in some form closer to what it has been, the idea that not throwing away a huge sum of money that they could never recoup is somehow a "colossal mistake," is a statement that seems at odds with the reality of what the company is trying to navigate (and a huge over estimate of where 718 sales stand right now).

justabout

All I know is I’ve tried to get a GTS and the response is there is a list but we can get you an S. Gave up and bought a different brand. I suspect they could build the ice 718 for years and still wouldn’t eliminate the “list”.

Biohazard

Sucks they are not doing ICE no more. When I bought my Macan my plan was to get a 718 next then a 911. By the time I was ready I decided I want the 911 more rather than after the 718.

bkrantz

Mid-engine is a thing, but not all are the same (nor all front and rear engine designs). Many modern mid-engine cars (including the 718, I think) have a front-rear weight balance of about 45-55%. Recent 911 designs have been around 40-60%. A clever chassis design (and clever driver) can probably win in either one.

wdb

Yabut that's a static measure. The polar moment of inertia is massively different.