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So the wife left me for 17 days to spend time with her two sisters, and I decided I couldn't take that level of shopping intensity for 2.5 weeks. In any case, that left me and my Aussie buddy alone to discuss cars, and eventually we got around to discussing the next toy. I honestly don't think my wife is going to leave the two of us alone ever again, since this could be the most expensive vacation she has ever taken. We discussed the pros and cons of every make and model, and came to the following conclusion:
It comes down to 458 or Scuderia.
My Aussie buddy votes Scuderia because it would be special and have decent contrast with my GT3. Of course, the GT3 stays. This brings up other issues. The second toy can't be too much better or worse than the GT3, because then only one gets driven. But it has to provide some contrast, so that each is special in their own way. My major concern with the Scuderia is that the wife will hate it. I really don't want to do a lot of driving alone. The 458 is the direction I am leaning, but my concern is that it won't be different enough. So what do you guys think. This toy would also be a driver, and budget is around $175k.
If I went 458 I would go for something like this, lowered and with an exhaust.
If i go Scuderia, it would look something like this...
LOL... and I thought this thread was someone spilling out their personal problems... with a divorce story.
Best Click Bait EVER!!! Congrats on your searching! My wife however seems to 'challenge' my spending... when I say 'I just bought another car'... she asks how much... and then let's me know all about the upgrades she'll be doing to our house in response!
That looks like lots of fun, Rob! Just my 2 cents, but if you're going to keep the PDK-S GT3 and want some contrast - how about a non-Scuderia F430 with the Gated Manual 6spd? The last of the Ferrari Manual sports cars...
I drove one once and it was fun! Of course, Sean's Scuderia is pretty awesome too! You'd have to get a Capristo or some mean exhaust for the F430...
LOL... and I thought this thread was someone spilling out their personal problems... with a divorce story.
Best Click Bait EVER!!! Congrats on your searching! My wife however seems to 'challenge' my spending... when I say 'I just bought another car'... she asks how much... and then let's me know all about the upgrades she'll be doing to our house in response!
Cheers!
Dave
There was nothing untruthful about that title! lol
Originally Posted by sgroer
I really, really want a 458... thank god I am too tall to fit in it or my wife would have left me by now.
Being short does have its advantages. lol
Originally Posted by GrantG
That looks like lots of fun, Rob! Just my 2 cents, but if you're going to keep the PDK-S GT3 - how about a non-Scuderia F430 with the Gated Manual 6spd? The last of the Ferrari Manual sports cars...
I drove one once and it was fun! Of course, Sean's Scuderia is pretty awesome too!
That would be a lot less expensive, Grant! I need to drive one. Yeah, Sean's Scuderia is sweet. I just think it might be too harsh for her. Those GT3 sofa seats will spoil a person!
I'll go 458 , newer Ferrari cars are more reliable, relatively speaking, in particular the 458 .
That's true, but wasn't one of the big turning points when they went from F360 to F430 and got rid of the timing belts for chains (and those expensive related services)
If 430, go with manual, so Scuderia is out. The Magneti-Marelli F1 system in the 599, 430, 360, 355 and every car before the German Getrag found in the 458/F12 and forward is disastrous, fragile, and expensive to maintain. It is annoying that a street driven car requires a new clutch every 5,000 miles, or less than 1,000 miles if you track it. The transmission alone says runs away. I had a $19k bill to repair the F1 actuators at 11,000 miles in my 599 HGTE, and never tracked the car.
I have talked to many 458/488 owners, they all prefer the feedback of the 458, but prefer the look and amenities in the 488. On my end, I prefer a 2015 Carrera GTS to a 2017+ Carrera GTS, the late car is more powerful, the 991.1 has better feedback, so similar analogy between 458 and 488.
Money wise, 458 and 488 are apart by close to $100k. So, 458 is the right choice.
A friend owns an exotic car rental business, his best money making car (he has all the $500k and less exotics you could think about) the 458 Italia. They thing only asks for tires and oil changes. One of his 458s has over 90,000 miles, and aside from leather stains and sticky buttons, the car is as good as any 5,000 miles 458. The sticky controls have a fix now, a few shops refinish them, and the leather wear is expected on a rental car.
I have driven the Scuderia and 458, the Scuderia has louder noises, but the 458 is a vastly better car. Put a Kline exhaust and the 458 sounds better than your GT3 (indeed any GT3). Springs are height adjustable. Wheels are all over the place for good prices new or used.
458 engine is bulletproof, same engine as the 458 Challenge and owners of these challenge cars are running 200+ hours before a rebuild, similar lifespan for the transmission (and they use the same Getrag DCT).
Brakes need a lot of aftermarket cooling, but if you're not tracking it, ignore, the CCB are fine.
Vastly different car than any Porsche, so it is justified to have both.
Depreciation wise, they are slowly depreciating at this point, they will never be sub $100k cars, as the 360s are now stable on prices, and 430s too, low trade-in value for a 458 Italia (coupe) is still in the high $150k, so they have good resale.
LOL... and I thought this thread was someone spilling out their personal problems... with a divorce story.
Best Click Bait EVER!!! Congrats on your searching! My wife however seems to 'challenge' my spending... when I say 'I just bought another car'... she asks how much... and then let's me know all about the upgrades she'll be doing to our house in response!
Cheers!
Dave
Ditto- My Wife the same. She always wants some thing out of the deal. I decided I need a fun DD so it looks like I am trading my 550I for the M2 Competition. Love the freakin little thing and it will be a blast to work ect. The Dealer started with the allocation BS so they think they can get me one by May. Just working out a few details still but my Wife already starting her negotiation.
If 430, go with manual, so Scuderia is out. The Magneti-Marelli F1 system in the 599, 430, 360, 355 and every car before the German Getrag found in the 458/F12 and forward is disastrous, fragile, and expensive to maintain. It is annoying that a street driven car requires a new clutch every 5,000 miles, or less than 1,000 miles if you track it. The transmission alone says runs away. I had a $19k bill to repair the F1 actuators at 11,000 miles in my 599 HGTE, and never tracked the car.
I have talked to many 458/488 owners, they all prefer the feedback of the 458, but prefer the look and amenities in the 488. On my end, I prefer a 2015 Carrera GTS to a 2017+ Carrera GTS, the late car is more powerful, the 991.1 has better feedback, so similar analogy between 458 and 488.
Money wise, 458 and 488 are apart by close to $100k. So, 458 is the right choice.
A friend owns an exotic car rental business, his best money making car (he has all the $500k and less exotics you could think about) the 458 Italia. They thing only asks for tires and oil changes. One of his 458s has over 90,000 miles, and aside from leather stains and sticky buttons, the car is as good as any 5,000 miles 458. The sticky controls have a fix now, a few shops refinish them, and the leather wear is expected on a rental car.
I have driven the Scuderia and 458, the Scuderia has louder noises, but the 458 is a vastly better car. Put a Kline exhaust and the 458 sounds better than your GT3 (indeed any GT3). Springs are height adjustable. Wheels are all over the place for good prices new or used.
458 engine is bulletproof, same engine as the 458 Challenge and owners of these challenge cars are running 200+ hours before a rebuild, similar lifespan for the transmission (and they use the same Getrag DCT).
Brakes need a lot of aftermarket cooling, but if you're not tracking it, ignore, the CCB are fine.
Vastly different car than any Porsche, so it is justified to have both.
Depreciation wise, they are slowly depreciating at this point, they will never be sub $100k cars, as the 360s are now stable on prices, and 430s too, low trade-in value for a 458 Italia (coupe) is still in the high $150k, so they have good resale.
Thank you! That level of detail is exactly what I needed to know. Sounds like I am on the right track with the 458. I definitely need something reliable that won't be too expensive to run.
Not to throw you off track - a McLaren 650s or even better 675LT would be my choice. Both will spank a Ferrari 458 performance wise, esp the 675. I think looks better too, though purely subjective.
A lot of the depreciation has already happened. Can definitely get 650s in your budget. 675LT not yet.
Of the 2 Ferraris - Scuderia is the way I would go, if you are set on an F car.
Rob- tough decision. If I was going to get a second toy to be beside my GT3 I think it would be a 458 or a Mac. I think the Scud would be great but do not know about reliability- could be an expensive venture
Rob - the McLarens are scary fast up at altitude (being turbo) - not sure if that is what you're after or just something that's lots of fun in the mountains...
Not to throw you off track - a McLaren 650s or even better 675LT would be my choice. Both will spank a Ferrari 458 performance wise, esp the 675. I think looks better too, though purely subjective.
A lot of the depreciation has already happened. Can definitely get 650s in your budget. 675LT not yet.
Of the 2 Ferraris - Scuderia is the way I would go, if you are set on an F car.
Thanks for the help. I am going to be honest. If I get a second toy it has to be an F car. McLaren makes a great car, but the 675LT is the only one that interests me. And it is out of my budget. Again, the rawness of the Scuderia has me nervous. The wife was not a fan of the 997 GT3, for reference.
Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Rob- tough decision. If I was going to get a second toy to be beside my GT3 I think it would be a 458 or a Mac. I think the Scud would be great but do not know about reliability- could be an expensive venture
Thanks Jimmy. The 458 is just a thing of beauty. Possibly the best looking car ever. So styling is important. I also need to think about operating costs and maintenance, and the Scuderia is probably going to be an ugly venture. I think I like the idea of owning a Scuderia more than I would enjoy actually owning one.
12-10-2018, 12:35 PM
Wife left me. This could get ugly.
