shing911500e

Considering these two. Both are CPO. 2017 car is $7k more expensive than the 2015. Many differences between the two. Drove the C4 but not the 3.0tt base car yet. Both are colors I love, base 2017 is a bit higher spec but negligible. I have an old air cooled car that is for weekends and is a garage queen. The cars in question (whichever is purchased) would be my daily driver. Both are PDK and neither has sport Chrono or any substantive performance options. Both have standard exhaust and both have 20" S wheels. My general feeling is that the 991.2 is the way to go (haven't driven it yet, remember), but something about the 2015 C4 speaks to me as a daily driver (brawney hips and begging to be driven hard in inclement weather) in Nor Cal. All feedback welcome. Someone give me the real deal POV...is the 991.2 leagues ahead?? I am guessing so, but wonder if there are any folks out there that have driven both...@stout?

.2PDK

I have a .1 C2 and have never driven a .2 base but from what I read hereabouts the .1 is downright slow as molasses compared to the .2 base.

We're talking Prius slow here...

PJ Cayenne

The only way to tell is to drive the .2. I did a nice test drive in a .1 C4, a true unicorn spec. Nice car, but was surprised at how easy it was to be in the wrong gear. That's all I'll say for fear of igniting another .1 vs. .2 thread. I have a base .2 7MT and love it.

PJ Cayenne

Do I detect a baited hook here??

koala

Given that you already have an older air cooled car and that you want to go PDK, I'd grab the 991.2 for sure in that situation.

onedae

The 991.2 base is very fast; easily beats a 991.1 S. But that NA motor in the .1 sure is sweet. Pros and cons for each. The only way to know what works for you is to drive both and see which makes you smile more. Since neither have sport exhaust the sound advantage of the NA motor will likely be less apparent.

jerryzaiden

Here is where I was. 991 anything. I drove them all and narrowed it down to a 2015 Turbo S, 991.2 C2, or a GT3. I test drove them and was leaning towards the 991.2 C2. I then was told to check out the 991.2 GTS and test drove that and fell in love and bought it. The newer 991.2 cars are a blast to drive with the new 3.0L Turbo engine.

stout

Leagues ahead? Not in the perception of some, as several have noted above—there are pros and cons here depending on what you like and value. And if you like those hips, or drive in inclement weather, or prefer NA, then your decision is made for you. As for me, a few thoughts would guide me toward the .2 in this case: 1) the handling of the .2 > the .1, and 2) I sometimes had the feeling that the 991.1's 3.4-liter engine was pleasurable but easy to overtax with equipment above the C2 coupe—i.e. AWD, PDK, Cabrio roof, etc. Anything that added weight, in other words. Flip side of that is that PDK—while good in the 991.1—feels like a match made in heaven with the .2's turbocharged engine. They just work well together. As for inclement weather, today's stability systems have narrowed some of the gap in terms of safety and security—though there is no substitute for four driven wheels when the going gets slippery.

YMMV, but I'd go .2 here. Now, if you were saying 911-50 vs base .2, I'd have to do some hard thinking…

Needsdecaf

Here we go again. I will save some time:

Both are amazing cars.

Both have their pluses and minuses.

Those that like one car will say their minuses don't exist or are better off having than the pluses of the other Car. And vice versa.

Comparisons of the unfavorable Car will be made by each party. They will be ugly and nonsensical.

There are no wrong answers here.

The OP needs to drive both and decide which suits his needs, both from a car standpoint as well as a pricing one. It is a very personal preference.

Either way, a 911 is better to have than most cars. Nobody needs a 911.

Happy motoring! Post pics when you buy.

StormRune

I've had both cars. A key thing you pointed out was that neither car has Sport Chrono and both are PDK cars.

In a 991.1 PDK, if you are planning on driving in automatic mode at times, you need Sport Chrono to keep the PDK aggressive enough that the car does just stay bogged down at low RPMs most of the time. You need higher revs in a 991.1 for it to feel peppy unless you are just cruising. You'd want to retrofit Sport-Chrono for sure. The car just feels dull without it unless you manually shift all of the time. Normal mode is really just intended for maximizing EPA gas mileage reports.

There is so much low-end torque in a 991.2 that normal-mode shifting becomes more viable in day-to-day driving... plus the PDK is tuned a bit differently. You'll still prefer manual mode when driving more sportily though. Automatic mode without Sport-Chrono is still not the most sporty-feeling thing to do, but it is reasonably drivable.

You should certainly drive both before making up your mind. Pay attention when doing so to the shifting behavior when in automatic. You'll see what I mean. You'll also find out just how much harder the 991.2 pulls down low.

K-A

Actually they put up about identical straight line times (fastest 991.1 S magazine time is 3.6 0-60 and 11.7 1/4 mile, about identical to the fasted tested 991.2 base time) and the 991.1 S will beat a 991.2 base on a long track, e.g the Ring (as it's only 3.9 seconds slower than a 991.2 S on the Ring).

But I agree about the pure sweetness of the .1. To me, the two motors are closer in performance (base vs base / S vs S) than they are in sound. But that's just because I don't need the extra bits of power/torque the .2 provides and crave/desire every ounce of extra sound the N/A provides (and prefer the throttle response, crescendo powerband, etc.). That's just me, and of course necessities/desires via which is more important to who, will determine who will like what more. I'm very impressed with what Porsche turned from the 3.0 tt, but personally find it even more of an astonishing engineering achievement how fast they got the 9A1 motors to perform (11's at nearly 120 MPH with an all-motor DD'able street-car S without gobs of paper-HP/torque? Pretty incredible) with no power adders, therefore retaining soulful N/A elements. Again, that's just me and who appreciates what more, will vary.

Otherwise, in my opinion, and based on market performance ever since .2's came out, the 991.1's are a destined and even instant classic. A'la the 993's of the water cooled era. So if you plan to keep it long term, imo it'll undoubtedly continue perform better in the resale department.

So yes, that's my case for why O/P should go for the .1.

gellie

.2PDK

Exactly, the .2s are hypersonic when compared to the .1s let alone the 997s...

WhipE350

Doesn't the non-Sport Chrono come with a sport button? My 981 Boxster did.

StormRune

It's cool that you dig the plusses of the 991.1 and it works well for you... it's a great car... but I don't want to leave the statement above stand without some rebuttal.

It was easy to find results from two of the most widely-read and reputable magazines out there that are well beyond your claims above. Granted these types of numbers aren't the most important things about the 911, but here are those articles just for the record.

Carrera
"It’s a full second quicker to 60 mph than the last base Carrera we tested"
Car & Driver: 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.9 at 118
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ra-test-review

Carrera S
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, ¼ mile in 11.5 at 120
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...911-carrera-s/

And the bottom line with regard to power is: You really can easily feel the difference in the seat of your pants... it's not just numbers.