Is the GT3 touring a good substitute for older 911s?
03-23-2018, 11:44 AM
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Is the GT3 touring a good substitute for older 911s?
Hello fellow Rennlisters,
I am looking at a 991 GT3 touring and would like some advise, or a different point of view.
I currently own a 991 GT3 RS MK1 plus a few old AC 911 from 1975 to 1998 ...
I was in line with my local PC to get a 991 GT3 touring (to replace the GT3 RS) but failed to make the shortlist ...
I gave up on the touring ... until I saw a car for sale with minimal price adjustment (about 10k) and almost exactly the same configuration I would have chosen (relatively unusual, its the only one I saw for sale with this configuration).
Problem is that the seller would not accept as a trade-in my GT3 RS but would be very willing to take in one of my older cars (that I drive less and less).
I am sorry to see a nice and relatively rare care going (they do not built them like they used to ... it is true) but on the other hand I really like the GT3 touring concept and I believe I would use it much more often.
I will still have other old 911s, some very raw and special.
I would "make money" on the trade value of the old Porsche compared to the purchase price of a few years ago.
I have two questions holding me back on the deal:
1) Is the GT3 touring different enough from the GT3 RS to justify having both? Moreover, my GT3 RS was ordered specifically by me without clubsport for personal reasons.
Is the option to fit the touring with regular tires or even winter tires a good point of differentiation from the GT3 RS that can be kept on SC2 tires and used mainly for a few track-days a year?
I live in Switzerland and do not really use the GT3 RS in cold weather from November to March ... had a couple of "close calls" with the car on SC2 in cold and rainy weather ...
2) Is the GT3 touring a credible substitute for older 911s with some of the old feeling but the user friendliness that will enable day-to-day use or long trips (thousands of kms)?
Any remark would be appreciated, thanks.
I am looking at a 991 GT3 touring and would like some advise, or a different point of view.
I currently own a 991 GT3 RS MK1 plus a few old AC 911 from 1975 to 1998 ...
I was in line with my local PC to get a 991 GT3 touring (to replace the GT3 RS) but failed to make the shortlist ...
I gave up on the touring ... until I saw a car for sale with minimal price adjustment (about 10k) and almost exactly the same configuration I would have chosen (relatively unusual, its the only one I saw for sale with this configuration).
Problem is that the seller would not accept as a trade-in my GT3 RS but would be very willing to take in one of my older cars (that I drive less and less).
I am sorry to see a nice and relatively rare care going (they do not built them like they used to ... it is true) but on the other hand I really like the GT3 touring concept and I believe I would use it much more often.
I will still have other old 911s, some very raw and special.
I would "make money" on the trade value of the old Porsche compared to the purchase price of a few years ago.
I have two questions holding me back on the deal:
1) Is the GT3 touring different enough from the GT3 RS to justify having both? Moreover, my GT3 RS was ordered specifically by me without clubsport for personal reasons.
Is the option to fit the touring with regular tires or even winter tires a good point of differentiation from the GT3 RS that can be kept on SC2 tires and used mainly for a few track-days a year?
I live in Switzerland and do not really use the GT3 RS in cold weather from November to March ... had a couple of "close calls" with the car on SC2 in cold and rainy weather ...
2) Is the GT3 touring a credible substitute for older 911s with some of the old feeling but the user friendliness that will enable day-to-day use or long trips (thousands of kms)?
Any remark would be appreciated, thanks.
03-23-2018, 11:56 AM
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Maybe not an exact answer but here are my thoughts:
- GT3 Touring will be a lot more like your RS than your old AC cars.
- IMO GT3 Touring is the best daily-driver 911 currently offered by Porsche for performance oriented driver.
- GT3 Touring is a great compliment to your RS.
- don’t think you’d miss one AC car as a trade given it sounds like you have a few.
- GT3 Touring will be a lot more like your RS than your old AC cars.
- IMO GT3 Touring is the best daily-driver 911 currently offered by Porsche for performance oriented driver.
- GT3 Touring is a great compliment to your RS.
- don’t think you’d miss one AC car as a trade given it sounds like you have a few.
03-23-2018, 11:57 AM
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The 991 chassis is much more gentle than the 997, much more noticeable with the RS. The 991 GT3 is a great car but it is not as raw as the 997s, so there is a difference even the concept of the chassis in each generation is the same.
The 991 GT3 is definitely a car you can use everyday, modern interior and connectivity with naturally aspirated engine and manual transmission is something that you will not have in a car you can use like this again.
I would keep both the .1 RS and the GT3 Touring. Daily the Touring with all season tires and use the RS during the summer, you will not regret it.
The 991 GT3 is definitely a car you can use everyday, modern interior and connectivity with naturally aspirated engine and manual transmission is something that you will not have in a car you can use like this again.
I would keep both the .1 RS and the GT3 Touring. Daily the Touring with all season tires and use the RS during the summer, you will not regret it.
03-23-2018, 11:59 AM
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Agree 100% that they don't build them like they used to and the SC and 3.2's are truly fantastic.
That being said, if you would be "sorry to see a nice relatively rare car going", then don't do it. I wouldn't. The GT3 tourings are not rare and more will become available. I do not think it is a substitute for an older 911...not even close...way too different. In regards to the touring vs the RS, you'll have to make that choice which will likely come down to MT vs PDK-S.
In summary, I wouldn't part with a good SC or 3.2, especially are a rare one. In fact, I'm looking for a 3.2 now and let me tell you, finding a good one, is tough....much easier to find the touring.
That being said, if you would be "sorry to see a nice relatively rare car going", then don't do it. I wouldn't. The GT3 tourings are not rare and more will become available. I do not think it is a substitute for an older 911...not even close...way too different. In regards to the touring vs the RS, you'll have to make that choice which will likely come down to MT vs PDK-S.
In summary, I wouldn't part with a good SC or 3.2, especially are a rare one. In fact, I'm looking for a 3.2 now and let me tell you, finding a good one, is tough....much easier to find the touring.
03-23-2018, 12:00 PM
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I love my 991.2 GT3 Manual (similar to Touring, but has a wing), but it is a VERY different car from an older 911. Not better or worse, but the experience is not very similar. Don't trade any old air-cooled car that you would miss (991 makes an excellent companion, but not replacement).
03-23-2018, 12:00 PM
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I haven’t driven a touring but I get the sense sometimes that it has a similar ethos to the old cars. Which model would be traded for it? I have a 1982 911SC and part of the experience is the smells and sounds of an old air cooled car. I doubt a brand new car with modern safety standards would recreate the entire experience but I bet it would certainly make a few people nostalgic.
They’re not making any more air cooled cars though. The planned scarcity or whatever you call it on these new cars is really quite irritating. If the car wasn’t so hard to find at a reasonable price above MSRP would you still consider this? If you could go to any dealer anywhere and buy one of these without hassle would you trade your classic still?
They’re not making any more air cooled cars though. The planned scarcity or whatever you call it on these new cars is really quite irritating. If the car wasn’t so hard to find at a reasonable price above MSRP would you still consider this? If you could go to any dealer anywhere and buy one of these without hassle would you trade your classic still?
03-23-2018, 12:07 PM
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03-23-2018, 12:10 PM
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A 991 generation car is not a replacement for an AC Porsche. I still vaguely remember the AC Porsche I drove in. Completely different.
03-23-2018, 12:14 PM
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Agree 100% that they don't build them like they used to and the SC and 3.2's are truly fantastic.
That being said, if you would be "sorry to see a nice relatively rare car going", then don't do it. I wouldn't. The GT3 tourings are not rare and more will become available. I do not think it is a substitute for an older 911...not even close...way too different. In regards to the touring vs the RS, you'll have to make that choice which will likely come down to MT vs PDK-S.
In summary, I wouldn't part with a good SC or 3.2, especially are a rare one. In fact, I'm looking for a 3.2 now and let me tell you, finding a good one, is tough....much easier to find the touring.
That being said, if you would be "sorry to see a nice relatively rare car going", then don't do it. I wouldn't. The GT3 tourings are not rare and more will become available. I do not think it is a substitute for an older 911...not even close...way too different. In regards to the touring vs the RS, you'll have to make that choice which will likely come down to MT vs PDK-S.
In summary, I wouldn't part with a good SC or 3.2, especially are a rare one. In fact, I'm looking for a 3.2 now and let me tell you, finding a good one, is tough....much easier to find the touring.
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The GT3T is NOT a substitute for older 911s. Yes, it has a MT6 transmission and NA engine but that is where the comparison ends and the GT3T will never substitute for your classic 911.
03-23-2018, 12:28 PM
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I love my 991.2 GT3 Manual (similar to Touring, but has a wing), but it is a VERY different car from an older 911. Not better or worse, but the experience is not very similar. Don't trade any old air-cooled car that you would miss (991 makes an excellent companion, but not replacement).
As a reference point I would be looking at trading-in my 964 turbo 3.6 ... not a garage queen but a nice and solid driver that I used a few times on track, as well.
The difference to add would be minimal (basically the mark-up from the list price of the GT3 and less than the appeciation that the 964 had in my few years of ownership.
I know that they are currently asking crazy prices for the old turbos, but most of them are for sale since ages.
I would not consider selling it, but I really use the old cars less and less and this one I only took out 3-4 times in the last 12 months for club events/meetings .. I have other 3 turbos from 1975, 1977 and 1998.
Once I used to own a 996 TT and a 997 TT and those I was using quite frequently also during the winter months ... then I went back to the old AC and got the RS as a modern car for longer trips and some track use because the 991 TT was just not doing it for me when I tested it.
But I find myself with only "specialised" cars that I can take out in club events or meetings but I do not feel to use going to work or for a quick spin.
Problems ... problems ...
03-23-2018, 12:35 PM
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Better this one ...
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03-23-2018, 12:35 PM
#13
The Touring presses some of those air cooled buttons that make every trip special- sense of occasion when you jump in and fire the car, aural pleasure, tactile feedback, feel of a finely crafted machine. On most of those counts it turns down the volume, however. The biggest functional difference is in the speed you cover ground in before the chassis starts really talking to you. The GT3’s limits are still stratospheric compared to early cars, so even on winter tires it’s going to mindlessly track through corners that would have you thinking, reacting and engaged in the earlier car. If that’s a good thing or not really depends on where and how you drive. In Switzerland if you’re near some of “those” roads I can imagine the Touring being very tempting because of its higher units rather than in spite of them.
03-23-2018, 12:38 PM
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03-23-2018, 12:41 PM
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To own I’d take the 3.6 Turbo. However I must admit to drive on a regular basis on great roads like yours I’d go Touring.
But I think you know the real answer: find someone else who will take your .1 RS in trade. 3.6 T and Touring is the garage you want. IMHO.
I helped a friend pick up and road-trip back a 3.6 Turbo ~10 years ago, same color as yours. I’ll give you the same advice I give him- hang on to it. Special car...
Last edited by Petevb; 03-23-2018 at 01:02 PM.