991 GT2RS vs 488 Pista
02-23-2018, 04:56 AM
#1
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991 GT2RS vs 488 Pista
Given the current GT2RS ADMs, why would one buy a GT2RS over a 488 Pista?
Both cars are turbo, both RWD, both made in fairly limited numbers and should hold their value well. Both are the most extreme versions of their model line, with lighter weight and less sound deadening, and a more extreme look garnering plenty of attention.
However, the 488 Pista has much better sound, is much lighter, likely much less lag, Slightly more power, and is subjectively better looking.
The only place the GT2RS beats the Pista is the Porsche GT reliability for regular track duty, however refilling the water system after each session would be annoying and I also doubt more 15% of GT2RS owners will take their cars to the track at least monthly.
So other than really dedicated track rats who will truly track their GT2RS very regularly, why buy it over a 488 Pista, given the crazy ADMs for the 991 GT2RS?
Both cars are turbo, both RWD, both made in fairly limited numbers and should hold their value well. Both are the most extreme versions of their model line, with lighter weight and less sound deadening, and a more extreme look garnering plenty of attention.
However, the 488 Pista has much better sound, is much lighter, likely much less lag, Slightly more power, and is subjectively better looking.
The only place the GT2RS beats the Pista is the Porsche GT reliability for regular track duty, however refilling the water system after each session would be annoying and I also doubt more 15% of GT2RS owners will take their cars to the track at least monthly.
So other than really dedicated track rats who will truly track their GT2RS very regularly, why buy it over a 488 Pista, given the crazy ADMs for the 991 GT2RS?
Last edited by Drifting; 02-23-2018 at 07:19 AM.
02-23-2018, 05:32 AM
#2
Both cars are "virtually" unattainable for the common enthusiast, even with $300-400K to spend.....Even so Pista's CAN'T be sold new for over MSRP.....aftermarket prices will be north of half a million on them easily.....
02-23-2018, 06:22 AM
#3
I doubt in the real world the 488P will be "much lighter". 1280kg quoted by Ferrari is a dry weight and their weights are a bit hard to get to (so are Prsche to be fair). The Speciale weighed in at around 1450kg or thereabouts, fully fuelled and the 488P likely is going to come in around in that region. I don't think a 2rs, especially a WP one will be much more than 30-40kg heavier.
02-23-2018, 06:25 AM
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Whales who could obtain either of these cars are likely to have owned both Ferrari and Porsche in the past and have similar standing with Porsche and Ferrari, so again I just don’t see why you pick the GT2RS over the Pista unless you truly will be tracking this $400,000 car very very regularly.
Last edited by Drifting; 02-23-2018 at 06:44 AM.
02-23-2018, 06:35 AM
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I doubt in the real world the 488P will be "much lighter". 1280kg quoted by Ferrari is a dry weight and their weights are a bit hard to get to (so are Prsche to be fair). The Speciale weighed in at around 1450kg or thereabouts, fully fuelled and the 488P likely is going to come in around in that region. I don't think a 2rs, especially a WP one will be much more than 30-40kg heavier.
However, according to Porsche the 991 GT2RS with WP will weight 1430kg, while Ferrari lists the weight of the 488 Pista with all the lightweight options as 1280Kg. Let’s assume that the Ferrari weight is overly optimistic, but we’re still talking about a difference of 150 kg, or 330 pounds, which is quite significant, even if the real difference is only 2/3rds of that amount.
02-23-2018, 07:35 AM
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I'm a Porschephile, but I think not many people will prefer a GT2RS over a 488 Pista !
The Pista is so much prettier (ok subjective but still, look at it). The Pista has all these clever aero things going on. Plus for some reason I really believe the Ferrari fairy dust story that there is tech transfer from their gte/challenge cars. What do you have in the GT2RS ? A run of the mill Turbo S engine with no racing validation whatsoever and some old school wing which makes it look like a vulgar tuningcar sat next to the Pista. In that price range it is not cutting the mustard in comparison to the Pista imo !
I might be wrong, and I might be exagerating, but still, darn it, look at that Pista. How can you not fall in love with that car ?
What the Pista does need though is a rollcage and 6pt harness, Ferrari still keeps offering that silly 4pt belt aparently ! I don't get that. How come I am the only one that thinks that's weird in a car like that ?
The Pista is so much prettier (ok subjective but still, look at it). The Pista has all these clever aero things going on. Plus for some reason I really believe the Ferrari fairy dust story that there is tech transfer from their gte/challenge cars. What do you have in the GT2RS ? A run of the mill Turbo S engine with no racing validation whatsoever and some old school wing which makes it look like a vulgar tuningcar sat next to the Pista. In that price range it is not cutting the mustard in comparison to the Pista imo !
I might be wrong, and I might be exagerating, but still, darn it, look at that Pista. How can you not fall in love with that car ?
What the Pista does need though is a rollcage and 6pt harness, Ferrari still keeps offering that silly 4pt belt aparently ! I don't get that. How come I am the only one that thinks that's weird in a car like that ?
02-23-2018, 08:12 AM
#7
They are both attainable if you want to pay over. Already been offered a pista for over and next year delivery.
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02-23-2018, 08:14 AM
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I will receive gt2 in less than 2 weeks and the dealer confirmed to me the pista for September/october.
both is fantastic car, but one sure thing is that the porsche will be stronger for intense track use than the ferrari and iam sure that they will not attempt a ring laptime
i will not use the 488 on track the porsche yes a lot (on the ring) also because a lot of motorsport garage know how to adjust perfectly the car vs the ferrari
both is fantastic car, but one sure thing is that the porsche will be stronger for intense track use than the ferrari and iam sure that they will not attempt a ring laptime
i will not use the 488 on track the porsche yes a lot (on the ring) also because a lot of motorsport garage know how to adjust perfectly the car vs the ferrari
02-23-2018, 08:52 AM
#10
I like the GT2RS, but for the same price, I'd take the Pista. If the GT2RS market price was $100k less than the Pista, then I'd take the GT2RS instead. From the consumer point of view (at least for me), the magic of Porsche has always been to outperform other brands at a price of 20%-30% less. And this has always been at the expense quality finishes, e.g. more spartan interior, etc. But lets not kid ourselves, $500k p vs $500k f, I'd take the new Ferrari all day. $500k p to $600k+ f, for near same performance, sure, I'll take the Porsche then instead.
02-23-2018, 08:54 AM
#11
If anyone is actually in the position to be choosing between these two cars... well... my opinion is hardly relevant and they're probably going to be pretty happy either way. 
02-23-2018, 09:11 AM
#12
I agree that Ferrari tends to fudge their weights a bit.
However, according to Porsche the 991 GT2RS with WP will weight 1430kg, while Ferrari lists the weight of the 488 Pista with all the lightweight options as 1280Kg. Let’s assume that the Ferrari weight is overly optimistic, but we’re still talking about a difference of 150 kg, or 330 pounds, which is quite significant, even if the real difference is only 2/3rds of that amount.
02-23-2018, 09:12 AM
#13
I agree that Ferrari tends to fudge their weights a bit.
However, according to Porsche the 991 GT2RS with WP will weight 1430kg, while Ferrari lists the weight of the 488 Pista with all the lightweight options as 1280Kg. Let’s assume that the Ferrari weight is overly optimistic, but we’re still talking about a difference of 150 kg, or 330 pounds, which is quite significant, even if the real difference is only 2/3rds of that amount.
02-23-2018, 09:15 AM
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Great topic, thanks for asking it. Everyone is getting hung up on pricing, the OP intended this to be fun in a theoretical frame, so let's leave it wide open, as if you could have your choice.
Foremost,
Ferrari has eliminated turbo lag, Porsche need to step up their game besides matching pricing
Foremost,
Ferrari has eliminated turbo lag, Porsche need to step up their game besides matching pricing
02-23-2018, 09:23 AM
#15
"However, the 488 Pista has much better sound, is much lighter, likely much less lag, Slightly more power, and is subjectively better looking."
This ^^^
I have the "poor man's" version of this duo (991.2 GT3/430 Scuderia) and completely agree with everything that's been said about the Porsche vs the Ferrari.
I don't make cash at a rapid enough rate to enjoy the modern versions of both cars but they are equally fantastic in their own unique way,
This ^^^
I have the "poor man's" version of this duo (991.2 GT3/430 Scuderia) and completely agree with everything that's been said about the Porsche vs the Ferrari.
I don't make cash at a rapid enough rate to enjoy the modern versions of both cars but they are equally fantastic in their own unique way,
