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Dealer Inventory GT2 RS Wiessach Allocation
06-14-2018, 04:49 PM
#16
Year: 2018
Make: Porsche
Model: 911
Mileage (numbers only please): 0
Color: any
Price (no $ sign please): $145000
Private or Dealer Listing: Dealer Listing
Location (Region): SouthEast
Body Style: Coupe
Transmission Type: PDK
2 or 4 Wheel Drive?: 2 Wheel Drive
Engine Type: Fuel Injection
Stereo System: AM-FM CD
It does trickle down to the $
06-14-2018, 05:11 PM
#17
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
I have excellent client customer relations. It is just impossible to justify markup on rare vehicles that are already 100% sold to some people. It's a simple supply and demand curve. There are limited numbers therefore they bring a premium. I don't mean any ill will and if I could offer it to someone free I would. I just have put the asking price that my client is asking for the allocation. If no one wants to purchase it that's just the way it is and I'm sure at some point he would either accept a lower amount or simply take delivery of the car.
Same thing happened with the 911 R. Right away they were bringing a ton of money. Now they are being sold in very limited numbers. Your blue GT3 in your picture would bring a number higher than sticker at one point. If you were in the market to sell, I imagine you wouldn't ask for anything less than what it's worth unless you had to.
Same thing happened with the 911 R. Right away they were bringing a ton of money. Now they are being sold in very limited numbers. Your blue GT3 in your picture would bring a number higher than sticker at one point. If you were in the market to sell, I imagine you wouldn't ask for anything less than what it's worth unless you had to.
06-14-2018, 05:22 PM
#18
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
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06-14-2018, 11:57 PM
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I guess my reality of cars and the market is not right anymore. Things have changed. Porsches and other cars are investments nowadays rather than driving machines. Everyone does what they can first and foremost to make a profit. And people are stupid enough to pay for them because they have tons of money. I’m not specifically bashing your sale here, I’m just stating my opinion. I can’t wait until the bubble bursts and the economy tanks so an enthusiast like me can buy a special performance car for msrp or less and don’t have to play dealer games and go through artificial wait times.
GLWS.
GLWS.
06-15-2018, 12:29 AM
#20
Three Wheelin'
I guess my reality of cars and the market is not right anymore. Things have changed. Porsches and other cars are investments nowadays rather than driving machines. Everyone does what they can first and foremost to make a profit. And people are stupid enough to pay for them because they have tons of money. I’m not specifically bashing your sale here, I’m just stating my opinion. I can’t wait until the bubble bursts and the economy tanks so an enthusiast like me can buy a special performance car for msrp or less and don’t have to play dealer games and go through artificial wait times.
GLWS.
GLWS.
06-15-2018, 12:46 AM
#21
Rennlist Member
I guess my reality of cars and the market is not right anymore. Things have changed. Porsches and other cars are investments nowadays rather than driving machines. Everyone does what they can first and foremost to make a profit. And people are stupid enough to pay for them because they have tons of money. I’m not specifically bashing your sale here, I’m just stating my opinion. I can’t wait until the bubble bursts and the economy tanks so an enthusiast like me can buy a special performance car for msrp or less and don’t have to play dealer games and go through artificial wait times.
GLWS.
GLWS.
06-15-2018, 11:01 AM
#23
Instructor
The 918 VIP program did not create this. The hype and value of Porsche cars is what created this. People saw values of past GT cars increasing over time which brought more buyers into the game. Regardless of if there was a 918 VIP program or not, there still wouldn't be enough GT cars for everyone at MSRP.
06-15-2018, 11:27 AM
#24
The 918 VIP program did not create this. The hype and value of Porsche cars is what created this. People saw values of past GT cars increasing over time which brought more buyers into the game. Regardless of if there was a 918 VIP program or not, there still wouldn't be enough GT cars for everyone at MSRP.
Considering your business, you more than most should understand the best way to drive the price of an item is to tell those that can otherwise afford it that they can't have one.
It's also often forgotten that that the VIP program was created to sweeten the deal for the 918 buyers. Sales were sluggish and it was far from a 'sure thing' that the original owners would make out like bandits on the the 918s - many of them were the same guys that bought CGTs new, and the memory of those sitting on the floor and immediately selling for steep discounts from MSRP were still fresh in mind.
So, a lot of the VIPs took a chance that happened to turn out quite well for them. Many of them are simply reaping the rewards for taking that chance and by playing by the rules set out for them by Porsche.
As a wise man once said: "Don't hate the player, hate the game"
It's shocking to me that on a site like Rennlist (dedicated to high-end discretionary items), some can have such inconsistent views when looking at the capitalistic accomplishments to enable the purchase of these very expensive "toys" and yet the expectation that those at the top that took a huge risk should somehow adopt some strange altruistic attitude by leaving money on the table and walking away from opportunity so others can play in their sandbox.
06-15-2018, 11:59 AM
#25
Rennlist Member
The 918 VIP program did not create this. The hype and value of Porsche cars is what created this. People saw values of past GT cars increasing over time which brought more buyers into the game. Regardless of if there was a 918 VIP program or not, there still wouldn't be enough GT cars for everyone at MSRP.
06-15-2018, 12:00 PM
#26
Instructor
What do you think created that extra hype and "value"? The VIP program directed a large number of the GT cars and other special editions into the hands of the same few buyers - the VIPs - every time and new car was released, limiting the supply to everyone else.
Considering your business, you more than most should understand the best way to drive the price of an item is to tell those that can otherwise afford it that they can't have one.
It's also often forgotten that that the VIP program was created to sweeten the deal for the 918 buyers. Sales were sluggish and it was far from a 'sure thing' that the original owners would make out like bandits on the the 918s - many of them were the same guys that bought CGTs new, and the memory of those sitting on the floor and immediately selling for steep discounts from MSRP were still fresh in mind.
So, a lot of the VIPs took a chance that happened to turn out quite well for them. Many of them are simply reaping the rewards for taking that chance and by playing by the rules set out for them by Porsche.
As a wise man once said: "Don't hate the player, hate the game"
It's shocking to me that on a site like Rennlist (dedicated to high-end discretionary items), some can have such inconsistent views when looking at the capitalistic accomplishments to enable the purchase of these very expensive "toys" and yet the expectation that those at the top that took a huge risk should somehow adopt some strange altruistic attitude by leaving money on the table and walking away from opportunity so others can play in their sandbox.
Considering your business, you more than most should understand the best way to drive the price of an item is to tell those that can otherwise afford it that they can't have one.
It's also often forgotten that that the VIP program was created to sweeten the deal for the 918 buyers. Sales were sluggish and it was far from a 'sure thing' that the original owners would make out like bandits on the the 918s - many of them were the same guys that bought CGTs new, and the memory of those sitting on the floor and immediately selling for steep discounts from MSRP were still fresh in mind.
So, a lot of the VIPs took a chance that happened to turn out quite well for them. Many of them are simply reaping the rewards for taking that chance and by playing by the rules set out for them by Porsche.
As a wise man once said: "Don't hate the player, hate the game"
It's shocking to me that on a site like Rennlist (dedicated to high-end discretionary items), some can have such inconsistent views when looking at the capitalistic accomplishments to enable the purchase of these very expensive "toys" and yet the expectation that those at the top that took a huge risk should somehow adopt some strange altruistic attitude by leaving money on the table and walking away from opportunity so others can play in their sandbox.
What I am saying is that the VIP program did not create this. Is there more hype now because of it, of course but like you said the VIP program was created to sweeten the deal....if there wasn't a hype before the VIP program than I don't think that would make the deal much sweeter.
06-15-2018, 12:12 PM
#27
it has nothing to do with VIPs or what someone can afford and everything to do with the fact that there is a much bigger 911 GT buyer pool today than there was 10 years ago.
06-15-2018, 10:55 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
I hope OP you get every dollar you can!
I think a lot of this discussion is nonsense as I wonder how many people would be buying GT2's even at MSRP. There is a sweet spot for most people and I have a feeling 200k and above pushes it in the .05% class.
I think a lot of this discussion is nonsense as I wonder how many people would be buying GT2's even at MSRP. There is a sweet spot for most people and I have a feeling 200k and above pushes it in the .05% class.
06-16-2018, 03:25 AM
#30
