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Old 05-24-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Adriaan View Post
A Porsche employee who likes a Porsche product, what a surprise, didn't see that coming...
Pure marketing, a Porsche dinosaur, who was always skeptical about BEV's is now slowly starting to like them, all part of the marketing strategy.




The model Y looks like very good value indeed. A model Y and a 997 GTS of a early 991 for the price of a taycan? I'n not so sure about the taycan anymore at this price level.
Honestly I haven't been happy with Porsche quality/reliability lately. Seems Porsche now designs their cars to last just until the warranty expires, after that, god help you! Look at all the scored cylinder issues and now PDK failures ($25k repair). Its absolutely nuts!

It will be interesting to see how many Taycans Porsche sells, but I think they missed the mark on price. Judging from past experience, I am almost positive Porsche will design the Taycan to bleed customers dry throughout it's service life. No thanks!
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Originally Posted by Petevb View Post
You’re extrapolating this from your experience with a decade old Mercedes?
And various others. Plus experiences of neighbors, friends, relatives, and participating in other automotive web forums. (I've been following various auto internet forums since the usenet days of the 1980s.) I currently own six cars, but most are boring GM stuff. So not really applicable to discussing on this esteemed forum.

Statistically ICE reliability and durability continue to improve along with power, emissions and efficiency. These are not improving at nearly the same rate as EVs, however.
IME, the ICE manufacturers are doing what they can to get the cars through the mandatory emissions warranty. After that, who cares what it cost to keep 'em running.

It’s pretty clear to me that next the decade’s supercars will all be pure EV or hybrid. While most of those are likely to be exercises in excess I also fully expect some real electric drivers cars to materialize as well. Thus far I’ve owned 2 pure EVs and a plug-in hybrid, and they all hint at great potential- instant torque, seamless torque vectoring, etc. But thus far they have shown significant flaws that have held them back (for me) as satisfying tools for enthusiastic back-road blasts. I’ll readily admit I’m not your average consumer, having owned a dozen Porsches along with a mix of other high performance cars and having competed for over two decades. I’ve also had the fortune to test many cars, hybrids and EVs going right back to the beginning- 918, original Tesla roadster, Wrightspeed X1 (talk about a fun EV)... I get that many will be quite satisfied and even impressed with the Model 3 as it stands. I personally find it a big step forwards dynamically from the Model S but still well short of comparable sports sedans and certainly any modern Porsche sports car in terms of fun factor.
And that is all fair. For me, the pivotal moment was back in 2010 or so with the Tesla Roadster. After some long discussions with my neighbor, who has been with Tesla since nearly the beginning, it checked off all the boxes addressing various myths and prejudices I'd had up to that time. Battery costs have come down an order of magnitude since then. I see no reason to go back to pure ICE. PHEV still has its place - for a few years.

I look forward to seeing how much of that gap Porsche will close with the Taycan. In the meantime I quite am happy with my Model 3 as a DD, but I’m not going to pretend it’s something it’s not. And I find it laughable if some think that makes me “prejudiced”. Exactly the opposite.
I'm also really interested in seeing what Porsche can contribute to the fray. At this point, I don't think I will be in the market for a Taycan. If it were $10-15k more than a Model 3, and they do a significantly better job on range/MPGe than their buddies over at Audi did with the eTron, maybe? But at 2-3x, um, no. If I really want dead animal skins on the seats in my TM3 I can pay an aftermarket installer $2-3k for the privilege. Aftermarket suspension parts are already being produced as well.

If Porsche came out with a sleek electric sports coupe similar to, and priced like, a Cayman I think they would have a real hit on their hands.
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From my read, the bottom line is that this car will probably start in the price range that their potential customer can afford to play around with their money to try out this car. I don't Porsche intended to market an economically priced EV. Let's remember we're likely talking about a 6 figure vehicle and it's not uncommon in this era to see six figure vehicles (EV or not). I think the car will sell, and people with foolish money will buy it. I think their intent the whole time has been to sell a luxury EV.......
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Originally Posted by whiz944 View Post
If Porsche came out with a sleek electric sports coupe similar to, and priced like, a Cayman I think they would have a real hit on their hands.
Electric Cayman/Boxter would be of the greatest interest to me although at this point Tesla is probably the only company that has the ability to do it at a reasonable cost. It does not look like it will do that though. Two seater is a diminishing market which is a very unfortunate thing. You can't blame those companies it's just a business reality. Even Porsche has learned promoting Macan instead of Cayman/Boxter is good for the bottom line.

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From my read, the bottom line is that this car will probably start in the price range that their potential customer can afford to play around with their money to try out this car. I don't Porsche intended to market an economically priced EV. Let's remember we're likely talking about a 6 figure vehicle and it's not uncommon in this era to see six figure vehicles (EV or not). I think the car will sell, and people with foolish money will buy it. I think their intent the whole time has been to sell a luxury EV.......
Only if it offers enough things that a lower priced car does not have. Selling a car only by high price and exclusivity may work some of the times but most times it would not. Even weathy people are not that gullible.
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Originally Posted by Ccpecot View Post
From my read, the bottom line is that this car will probably start in the price range that their potential customer can afford to play around with their money to try out this car. I don't Porsche intended to market an economically priced EV. Let's remember we're likely talking about a 6 figure vehicle and it's not uncommon in this era to see six figure vehicles (EV or not). I think the car will sell, and people with foolish money will buy it. I think their intent the whole time has been to sell a luxury EV.......
Your right. Itís typical Porsche and yet somehow disappointing to me. Porsche will have no problem selling them but Iím not likely to buy one no matter how great it is is the latest reports on models offered and pricing ring true. For the pricing they are talking about I donít want a stripped out EV with a small battery and single motor RWD. Honestly might as well buy a model 3 or used model S or a Panamera/cayenne hybrid which many dealers are offering aggressive discounts on. Also I realize most Porsche owners expect to pay up for options and enjoy the drive/donít want self driving options but many EV owners/buyers expect adaptive cruise/autopilot/blind spot/etc. and the full suite of 2019 safety features/driver aids. I donít think itís right to offer an EV in 2019 with most or all of these items as optional equipment. Porsche strategy works with sports cars but Iím not so sure about EVs. Hoping this is all moot once we get the reveal and info.
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