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Having some fun with my MB cab, but I think its getting time to move to an EV. Will be curious to hear from folks that drive them (once delivered) about ride, comfort, but most of all range. I was ready to pull the trigger on a Tesla's last year but heard Porsche was about to release the Taycan so I waited. Now I see a Turismo is in the works so I'm really excited. The biggest downside is availability of chargers for long trips. I live in Toronto now, but I;m originally from FL and kids and grand babies still live there. Sometimes it's nice to have a car there on extended vacations, so I drive (works great for the cab!). I'll be curious if the Taycan is a useable long distance driver like the Tesla. If not, I can always just park the 951 in Fl and use it
I personally wouldn't hassle with public charging on long trips, yet anyway. The best long-distance cruiser in my opinion is the Panamera, with ACC. Four-door Porsches generally are great long-distance cruisers. My 2018 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid is about the same cost as a Taycan 4S, and it allows most local driving in all-electric mode, but gets rid of stress of public charging for long trips -- highly recommended. I see that you have a lot of cars well beyond warranty period; I would probably not own a PHEV beyond warranty, but I wouldn't hesitate to get an extended warranty. (I've also driven my Macan cross-country, and while it's not as fun as the Panamera, it's very comfortable and stable at high speeds also; but we are at least a couple of years away from a plug-in Macan of any kind.). I also am looking keenly at the Cross Turismo (my Panamera is a Sport Turismo), but I would be using a BEV now chiefly for driving within 100-150 miles of home, to avoid public charging.
Having some fun with my MB cab, but I think its getting time to move to an EV. Will be curious to hear from folks that drive them (once delivered) about ride, comfort, but most of all range. I was ready to pull the trigger on a Tesla's last year but heard Porsche was about to release the Taycan so I waited. Now I see a Turismo is in the works so I'm really excited. The biggest downside is availability of chargers for long trips. I live in Toronto now, but I;m originally from FL and kids and grand babies still live there. Sometimes it's nice to have a car there on extended vacations, so I drive (works great for the cab!). I'll be curious if the Taycan is a useable long distance driver like the Tesla. If not, I can always just park the 951 in Fl and use it
Ive test driven one, and it was delightful. Aside from the silence, you could imagine being in a 911 turbo. Crazy far over the top fast. Well, at least until you brake. It weighs about 1500# more than the 911, and while the handling is exceptional, theres no cheating physics on the brakes. It is much roomier than the 911 with a usable back seat and trunk. Smaller than a Panamera.
the range appears to be lower than the Tesla at approximately 200mi
I see that you have a lot of cars well beyond warranty period; I would probably not own a PHEV beyond warranty, but I wouldn't hesitate to get an extended warranty.
I no longer have either of the Bimmers and will NEVER own another one. For some reason I can't update the cars on my userCP. Anyway, I now have a MB E class cab that goes out of warranty at the end of the year.
I am considering the idea of the hybrid, but I drive between 3 offices and can put up to 100km a day on the car.
I'm waiting on my Taycan 4S right now. Arrives in Mid-March. Check the ElectrifyAmerica site to see if they have chargers close by to the areas you routinely travel. An overnight charge will bring you up to full chatge, and current owners of the Taycan Turbo are indicating that actual mileage exceeds the published EPA estimates of 201 miles. EA charging, including the 350Kw DC charging is covered for 3 years by Porsche, so you may have LOTS of options. Hope to see you join the rest of us who have taken the plunge.
To your question on range, especially if you plan on driving cross country is concerned, I have to wonder why an EV? You mention ride and comfort but you should be able to easily match that with $150,000 budget with an ICEV. If you're concerned about the environment and feel compelled to "do the right thing" then fine, I admire your contribution to lessen your carbon footprint. But to the point of why would you put yourself through the hassle and cost disadvantages to drive the Taycan outside your 100 mile circle of comfort?
Ionity recently raised their prices for electricity in Europe since they aren't a charity and well, why not. If you remember, Ionity is the supercharger wannabe that BMW, MB, VW, and Ford put together.
I realize you live in the US but the public fast charging network here is also not a charity and would like to be a for profit. The EA network is required to stand on it's own once the VW money runs out. The current network is underutilized and with such a small dribble of EV's trickling out, it would not surprise me in the least if they along with EVgo, Greenlots, Blink, etc follow suit in an attempt to cut their losses.
To put this in terms that may shock you, based on the new Ionity billing of $.88/kWh, that would be the equivalent of $81 for 124 miles or based on a 30mpg ICEV, $20/gallon.
Maybe not this year but I can't see these companies subsidizing the charging infrastructure indefinitely.
The EA network is required to stand on it's own once the VW money runs out.
Contract ends in 2027
Originally Posted by Dyefrog
The current network is underutilized and with such a small dribble of EV's trickling out, it would not surprise me in the least if they along with EVgo, Greenlots, Blink, etc follow suit in an attempt to cut their losses.
Maybe there will be few more EVs on the road in the coming years.
Originally Posted by Dyefrog
To put this in terms that may shock you, based on the new Ionity billing of $.88/kWh,
out of network and in Europe where gasoline prices are higher as well.
Audi e-tron Charging Service, Mercedes.Me.Charge, BMW ChargeNow, Porsche Charging Service and Volkswagen WeCharge may hav different pricing.
Originally Posted by Dyefrog
that would be the equivalent of $81 for 124 miles
200 miles
Originally Posted by Dyefrog
Maybe not this year but I can't see these companies subsidizing the charging infrastructure indefinitely.
I would tell you long road trips (3+ charging stops) aren't feasible for non-Tesla EV's (Etron, Taycan, etc) at least for another year or two. Even then it will still have its own challenges. Similar to the Tesla network today. Possible but comes with some compromises.
If you are doing a regional road trip (1-2 charging stops) and there is reliable charging infrastructure along the way, then it's doable and isn't a big hassle. But you need to scope out your trip and check out the charger ratings (use PlugShare and see if the chargers get a high number of stars for reliability and are at least 150kw or greater). Many of the legacy chargers are only 50kw which would take 60-90 minutes for a charge.
I'm regularly driving my E-Tron on day trips around Colorado requiring a charge at an Electrify America location. I would even consider driving it to Santa Fe New Mexico (3 stops) but I wouldn't driving it cross country like to Michigan or California.
I didn't say if or when it would happen, just that it's possible and IMO likely based on the costs to operate lightly used DCFC's, especially when demand charges are taken into effect. "it would not surprise me in the least if they along with EVgo, Greenlots, Blink, etc follow suit in an attempt to cut their losses." "Maybe not this year but I can't see these companies subsidizing the charging infrastructure indefinitely."
Maybe there will be few more EVs on the road in the coming years.
out of network and in Europe where gasoline prices are higher as well.
Audi e-tron Charging Service, Mercedes.Me.Charge, BMW ChargeNow, Porsche Charging Service and Volkswagen WeCharge may hav different pricing.
Gas pricing in Europe is irrelevant. If the private fast charging networks in America decide to raise their prices similar to what Ionity did, it's still $20/gallon. Now if gas pricing in America approaches $20/gallon then it's a wash.
Tesla's superchargers are not intended to be a profit center but I think you knew that.
I did realize that Tesla / Elon Musk don't care about profits.
My estimation is that Taycan can do 200mi at 75mph in range mode. Can you show a credible reference to your claim of 120? Forget fanboy's twitter posts.
Gas price is not irrelevant since most people are coming from ICE and will compare the price to that.
And I say it again. The price is for out of network drop ins. For VW/BMW/Daimler and whoelse it is still about $0.35 which is the same as the Superchargers in Germany. Forget any news source that has the "Tesla" in its name.
I have a conspiracy theory here. Ionity, but rather its owners, the European car makers wanted to kick out Teslas from their chargers. These Ionity chargers are faster than most Superchargers so Model 3 owners prefer them. Now from 2020 the strict emission limits force car makers to sell a reasonable amount of EVs and slowing down competition by not allowing them (high prices) to use this popular network might help.
A sample route from Toronto to Gainesville, FL.
21+ hours of driving plus 2 1/2 hours of charging time.
Note: These are all Electrify America Charging stations, so the first 30 minutes of charging at each one is free. (for the first three years we own the cars)
A sample route from Toronto to Gainesville, FL.
21+ hours of driving plus 2 1/2 hours of charging time.
Note: These are all Electrify America Charging stations, so the first 30 minutes of charging at each one is free. (for the first three years we own the cars)
Correlation of these with your 'rest stops' and meals/starbucks would be quite interesting. You would actually want to subtract this from your actual time spent at a charging station, since you would need to spend time for a 'pit stop' and meal anyways. That number would give you the actual amount of 'extra' time you'd spend charging the car that otherwise could have been spent driving. My guess is you would have spent about the same amount of time getting gas/food/rest-stop as you did charging. Perhaps a bit more with 12 stops it was more frequent, and the stops were not exactly right off the exit ramp. The 'Montgomery' stop is less than a mile from my house.
keep in mind 3 fast charging stops/day is nearly 600 miles driving - or 10 hours of actual behind the wheel at avg. speed of 60 mph - 3 stops a day is my personal limit and then overnight at a hotel where you can charge.
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Seriously thinking of Taycan
