New 911 vs S4
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Well, I do see some similarities. But it probably isn't DNA. The overall shape, the shape of the taillights, the slope down and the line across the bumper, etc. Maybe it's the combination of all cars converging on a similar aerodynamic design and Porsche's attempt to make certain traits as a kind of brand image (like BMW with the two round things on the front of the grill.)
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The 911 line now covers the whole gamut, from a street GT (Carrera, Carrera S), to street-legal race car (GT3, GT3 RS). The turbos are category busters, with the comfort of a GT and performance that will make your brain bleed. Even the slowest, cushiest 911 of today is both more comfortable and faster than anything that left the factory with "928" on the back of it. Just about the whole lineup (including the trucks) will accelerate to 60 in 4.5 secs or better.
That all said, there is no doubt to me that the 928 was perhaps the most significant step towards Porsches current evolution as a brand. Before the 928, Porsches were exclusively sports cars. The whole personal GT car was born with the 928, and the custom luxuries built into the 928 (air vents on doors, rear seat AC, rear sun visors, leather dash, etc.) started a trend that is now incorporated into the brand.
That all said, there is no doubt to me that the 928 was perhaps the most significant step towards Porsches current evolution as a brand. Before the 928, Porsches were exclusively sports cars. The whole personal GT car was born with the 928, and the custom luxuries built into the 928 (air vents on doors, rear seat AC, rear sun visors, leather dash, etc.) started a trend that is now incorporated into the brand.
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Funny thing how many folks equate the bulging fenders as a sign of "strength". The slab sides with no bulges are faster. It took a while for the waistlines of the 911 series to grow as power levels and available tire widths have increased. Stuff gets glued on to the originally-homologated shapes and sizes to try and smooth airflow past the bigger underpinnings. It screams that the original design was wrong.
The original 911 came with ultra-wide 5" wheels. The original 928 came with 7" wheels, for the colossal P7 meats introduced to carry Porsche's latest supercar. No bulges or flares on either. Even with the wider 8" rear for the S4 or 9" for the GT, the fenders weren't flared. The GTS came with mild bulges, but needed hub spacers to get the tires out into the new space. Our eyes have been trained to look for rear flares and bulges, indicating extra horsepower and the traction/cornering required.
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The current 991 starts with a fairly bulge-less style. By the time you option it up in model/trim/power the bulges are back. For recent decades, the "S" designated more power and wider track with bulges. Just check that box over there on the order sheet and you get a car narrower than it should be for the wheels/tires tucked under the corners.
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The original 911 came with ultra-wide 5" wheels. The original 928 came with 7" wheels, for the colossal P7 meats introduced to carry Porsche's latest supercar. No bulges or flares on either. Even with the wider 8" rear for the S4 or 9" for the GT, the fenders weren't flared. The GTS came with mild bulges, but needed hub spacers to get the tires out into the new space. Our eyes have been trained to look for rear flares and bulges, indicating extra horsepower and the traction/cornering required.
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The current 991 starts with a fairly bulge-less style. By the time you option it up in model/trim/power the bulges are back. For recent decades, the "S" designated more power and wider track with bulges. Just check that box over there on the order sheet and you get a car narrower than it should be for the wheels/tires tucked under the corners.
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I give that moniker to the Ferrari Daytona and Jaguar E-Type, two cars I've always theorized inspired Porsche to look into making a GT as a replacement for the "bare bones" 911 sports car.
To a lesser extent the Corvette with the Mako Shark II followed by the 1968 model. Another long nose, front engine "GT" of sorts that was taking the world by storm.
To a lesser extent the Corvette with the Mako Shark II followed by the 1968 model. Another long nose, front engine "GT" of sorts that was taking the world by storm.
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I do not see it at all...
Besides the 'Porsche' lettering on the rear and the black paint, what similarities do you see?
The big hips of the 991 are gorgeous, and the GTS does not come even remotely close to matching their sexiness. The 928 is bland in comparison with its slab-sided, complete lack of hips.
Besides the 'Porsche' lettering on the rear and the black paint, what similarities do you see?
The big hips of the 991 are gorgeous, and the GTS does not come even remotely close to matching their sexiness. The 928 is bland in comparison with its slab-sided, complete lack of hips.
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Funny thing how many folks equate the bulging fenders as a sign of "strength". The slab sides with no bulges are faster. It took a while for the waistlines of the 911 series to grow as power levels and available tire widths have increased. Stuff gets glued on to the originally-homologated shapes and sizes to try and smooth airflow past the bigger underpinnings. It screams that the original design was wrong.
Those big, bulging, swooping quarters on the 991 look so sexy like a beautiful woman. Everyone who sees my 993 for the first time say it's a sexy looking car with all of its sweeping, organic curves. Literally all prefer it over the S4 in the looks department (..my non-928 friends and family).
On the other hand, the 928 looks like a spindly 7th grader with no shape at all, like Popeye's girlfriend Olive Oil, next to the voluptuous 991. There is no comparison - if one prefers shapely, aesthetically pleasing cars.
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... And that's why there are Porsche showrooms with more than one model available. Functionally, I'l need some reminders of why all those bulges and bumps were added. It's stuff sticking out in the breeze as you drive.
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Taste also changes..... Growing up nothing was sexier than a 427 S/C Cobra (I thought the 289's looked boring) and every 911 must have the Turbo fenders and whale tail.
Now I'll take a 289 Cobra all day long over the "Pamela Anderson" look of the S/C (not to say Pam looks bad....) and a classic narrow bodied 911 without a tail is much nicer looking than the "decked out" fendered version....
Frankly the new 911 wide bodies look bloated, like so many other new cars. That's not to say they look bad, but I much prefer the clean lines of a 928.
Same goes for the 993/964 - I find them far more attractive than any 911 that followed.
As to the original post - I see a definite family resemblance in the tail of the 997 and the 928, the 991 not so much. It's all in the tail-lights but even then, you've really got to squint to see it.
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Hell, the older I get the less and less I like the GTS fenders on a 928. It disrupts the clean lines of the OB body.
Still considered one of the, if not the sexiest car ever made - with a very "slab side" styled body:
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The flairs are functional, as well as making the car look muscular, something the 911 never had prior.