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... and honestly, im not really looking to go above 400. A reliable 400 whp is all im wanting out of this car.
I'll echo what some others have said. Find a nice, well maintained 996 Turbo. You'll spend more getting a NA 996 to 400hp (not to mention 400 to the rear wheels) than you would for a nice 996tt.
Just my $0.02 worth. Buy what you like and have fun with it.
Why is it out of the question to get NA car to 400? I've seen plenty of VF SC cars get there and stay fairly reliable for extended periods of time. I already sent flat6innovations an email about their stage 1 motor. But I dont really look to go that route(will if I have to).
Why is it out of the question to get NA car to 400? I've seen plenty of VF SC cars get there and stay fairly reliable for extended periods of time. I already sent flat6innovations an email about their stage 1 motor. But I dont really look to go that route(will if I have to).
Not out of the question........just lots of $$$$$$.
Why is it out of the question to get NA car to 400? I've seen plenty of VF SC cars get there and stay fairly reliable for extended periods of time. I already sent flat6innovations an email about their stage 1 motor. But I dont really look to go that route(will if I have to).
From Flat6s website:
Just Don't Do It..
Unlike other companies that will apply boost to a "box stock" engine, we discourage this. Thats simply due to our experience with these engines and the fact that in stock form, they don't hold up very well and under boost trouble is to be expected. The stock compression ratio is too high, the stock cylinders too weak and the stock cast pistons are paper thin, why would anyone ever apply forced induction to an engine with these issues?? We will not!
In fact, after our experiences we will not build an engine for turbocharging at all, even if it is updated with our components, processes and blessed.
Our experiences prove that these forced induction kits are poorly developed and are nothing more than catalysts for inevitable failures.
Again, if you want 400 hp, you want the turbo car.
I guess I'm just not seeing the money. Used VF kit like 4-5k, exhaust 2k, intake 1k, tuning another 1-2k and youre gonna be real close to 400 whp. I was concerned if that was pushing the limits of the engine but there is lots of guys that have had it on there for 50k miles + and no issues whatsoever. I understand the turbo would be easier to make the power but im not just worried about power.
I guess I'm just not seeing the money. Used VF kit like 4-5k, exhaust 2k, intake 1k, tuning another 1-2k and youre gonna be real close to 400 whp. I was concerned if that was pushing the limits of the engine but there is lots of guys that have had it on there for 50k miles + and no issues whatsoever. I understand the turbo would be easier to make the power but im not just worried about power.
Sounds like you know better than the advice given here. Go for it.
I guess I'm just not seeing the money. Used VF kit like 4-5k, exhaust 2k, intake 1k, tuning another 1-2k and youre gonna be real close to 400 whp. I was concerned if that was pushing the limits of the engine but there is lots of guys that have had it on there for 50k miles + and no issues whatsoever. I understand the turbo would be easier to make the power but im not just worried about power.
You can't really use 'ball park' numbers or even quote used turbo kits when discussing the M96 engine. There are soo many variables, that once you get things going, you may find that your budget has skyrocketed.
Originally Posted by Secular996
Fair enough. So what could I get the NA motor to safely without boost?
My recommendation would be get one of those stage 1 big bore motors from flat6. Price is probably dependent on the state of your current engine, but I read anywhere between 15-30K. you maybe looking at 40-50 HP? (honestly, that's just a guess.)
I do not know better than the advice given.. Lol was just offering what I have found. I hope I dont come off that way. I dont know a whole lot about the platform just trying to understand. Not getting a whole lot of clarity from scouring the forums.
This would be not a reliable car because it has a SC on it ?
I am definitely considering finding a cheaper c2 and shipping it to flat6innovations. As I would honestly be happy with 350 whp from a 3.8L stage 1 motor with Boltons. But if its more than 10k.. I may as well buy the turbo. In any case...the car would stay at stock power for awhile aside from exhaust
Although it has a salvage title, it has been gone through and has a lot of nice upgrades. Assuming the color change and color itself and body mods that are just a bit ricey don't bother you, it will be a helluva ride for about a $28,000 buy in.
I do not know better than the advice given.. Lol was just offering what I have found. I hope I dont come off that way. I dont know a whole lot about the platform just trying to understand. Not getting a whole lot of clarity from scouring the forums.
This would be not a reliable car because it has a SC on it ?
I am definitely considering finding a cheaper c2 and shipping it to flat6innovations. As I would honestly be happy with 350 whp from a 3.8L stage 1 motor with Boltons. But if its more than 10k.. I may as well buy the turbo. In any case...the car would stay at stock power for awhile aside from exhaust
There is no way of knowing if something is reliable or not. The car in the ad has 40K miles on it - who knows what other problems are lurking. Could be a ticking time bomb. No one knows. The collective wisdom and experience here on the forums suggest that 'boosting' an M96 motor is not recommended. I'd go with that over a guy trying to sell a car any day. But your $$.
Now you're starting to get it.. If you want more power than the stock 300 HP from a M96, get the turbo.
Just crazy to me that this platform comes with a motor that you can't get much more power than stock out of without taking a big chance of breaking it. Turbo seems to be the only way. Maybe ill just go for a 80-100k mile turbo. Seen some around 30-35k.
01-03-2017, 02:50 PM
