What's up with other P drivers and the 996 haterade?
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"The older the car, the more likely it's an enthusiast driving, and the more likely for recognition."
I experienced a similar phenomenon with my CJ-7 from my college days and my LR Discovery. Back in college a CJ driver did not wave to a Wrangler driver because they hadn't felt the love, hate, and bloody knuckles of driving an AMC. Wranglers drivers were seen as not real Jeeps at the time and besides Barbie had a Jeep Wrangler (a Corvette too, for that matter). Now a days with the Discovery I get and give a wave to another Discovery but not a Range Rover, heck not even an LR3 or LR4. They haven't felt the pain yet to be able to commiserate. Here in Eastern NC there aren't too many P cars and even fewer 911s of any flavor. I think in all three examples (CJ, LR, 911) there is a sense of community built around the uniqueness of the vehicles and the trials and tribulations each one gives the owners. Personally with the CJ and LR I had to overcome the PO unattended mechanical issues. Thus far, on the 2002 996 PO issues are much less pronounced and I am grateful for it. I don't take personally any non-wave from a Range Rover when I am in the Discovery because I don't expect it; not the same community, not the same experience. Likewise I don't expect a wave from a Cayman, Boxster, Macan, or Panamera (if there were any around here). I expect some sense of community and camaraderie from 911 owners, if I ever find another one around here. In the meantime I will enjoy the overt displays of excessively load exhausts from young guys in Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes.
I experienced a similar phenomenon with my CJ-7 from my college days and my LR Discovery. Back in college a CJ driver did not wave to a Wrangler driver because they hadn't felt the love, hate, and bloody knuckles of driving an AMC. Wranglers drivers were seen as not real Jeeps at the time and besides Barbie had a Jeep Wrangler (a Corvette too, for that matter). Now a days with the Discovery I get and give a wave to another Discovery but not a Range Rover, heck not even an LR3 or LR4. They haven't felt the pain yet to be able to commiserate. Here in Eastern NC there aren't too many P cars and even fewer 911s of any flavor. I think in all three examples (CJ, LR, 911) there is a sense of community built around the uniqueness of the vehicles and the trials and tribulations each one gives the owners. Personally with the CJ and LR I had to overcome the PO unattended mechanical issues. Thus far, on the 2002 996 PO issues are much less pronounced and I am grateful for it. I don't take personally any non-wave from a Range Rover when I am in the Discovery because I don't expect it; not the same community, not the same experience. Likewise I don't expect a wave from a Cayman, Boxster, Macan, or Panamera (if there were any around here). I expect some sense of community and camaraderie from 911 owners, if I ever find another one around here. In the meantime I will enjoy the overt displays of excessively load exhausts from young guys in Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes.
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2004 D2 in Aztec Gold. In the driveway the gold Disco is a nice contrast to the silver C2 Cab. What else is nice is that I have never experienced the three amigos...
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Spent my formative years with Jeeps and Harleys, everyone waved. I'm in my 60s now and just sold my last Harley. Two older air cooled 911s and back then a wave was the rule. I know times have changed the wave with the Porsche but if you want to talk about ''no respect" you should:
drive a 944
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I figure if I lavish attention on the Disco and don't let it see the attention the 996 is getting it wont get lonely and search out new friends in the form of the amigos...
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So someone ignores you and you call that 'hatorade'? funny.
I don't wave at Porsches when I drive my 997. In fact when I ride my Tuono I am mildly annoyed at having to wave at every passing bike. I am not antisocial or anything, it's just that when I am driving/riding/running a road race it's my Zen and I want to be with my thoughts. After the drive/ride/run is over, happy to socialize and share experiences, talk shop, whatever.
I don't wave at Porsches when I drive my 997. In fact when I ride my Tuono I am mildly annoyed at having to wave at every passing bike. I am not antisocial or anything, it's just that when I am driving/riding/running a road race it's my Zen and I want to be with my thoughts. After the drive/ride/run is over, happy to socialize and share experiences, talk shop, whatever.
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As mentioned above, it's not the car; it's the people. The newer generation of Porsche buyers are typically not car enthusiasts or Porsche enthusiasts.
On our recent fall color tour in Colorado, I drove the 997 turbo with the top down. I gave a friendly wave to 4 or 5 Porsches and I got nothing in return. I did, however, get waves from a Corvette driver and a Shelby Cobra driver. The former were not car enthusiasts, the latter were.
On our recent fall color tour in Colorado, I drove the 997 turbo with the top down. I gave a friendly wave to 4 or 5 Porsches and I got nothing in return. I did, however, get waves from a Corvette driver and a Shelby Cobra driver. The former were not car enthusiasts, the latter were.
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The newer the Porsche, the less likely you'll get a wave. This really seems to have started with the 996 as they were sold to more "normal" buyers and the enthusiasts got diluted. The older the car, the more likely it's an enthusiast driving, and the more likely for recognition.
That changed when the F-series Ms came out. Then all of us naturally-aspirated M3s waved in solidarity to each other. In my E39 M5, I got a few waves from others, but more waves from E30 and E36 M3 drivers, maybe because the E39 M5 is possibly the best BMW ever made. (I say this having never driven the M1 or Z8, though.) NOBODY driving the F-series Ms waves to anybody (except maybe each other). New car owners in their own world.
In my 996, I get more waves than not from other 996s and newer model 911s. Caymans and Boxters don't wave to me. Cayennes and Panameras I confess I hardly notice. Air-cooled 911s tend to not wave, but I figure that's just a car-class thing and I'm just not worthy in the lowly 996. Even at Cars & Coffee, snootiness trumps friendliness as the 996 isn't awesome enough for supercar aficionados or old and exotic enough for collector-car aficionados, but that's okay. I love my car. It's a beautiful red cab in better condition than most cars of any make that age. So I go about my business. This isn't the droid you are looking for. You can move along.
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So someone ignores you and you call that 'hatorade'? funny.
I don't wave at Porsches when I drive my 997. In fact when I ride my Tuono I am mildly annoyed at having to wave at every passing bike. I am not antisocial or anything, it's just that when I am driving/riding/running a road race it's my Zen and I want to be with my thoughts. After the drive/ride/run is over, happy to socialize and share experiences, talk shop, whatever.
I don't wave at Porsches when I drive my 997. In fact when I ride my Tuono I am mildly annoyed at having to wave at every passing bike. I am not antisocial or anything, it's just that when I am driving/riding/running a road race it's my Zen and I want to be with my thoughts. After the drive/ride/run is over, happy to socialize and share experiences, talk shop, whatever.
really, really sorry to be annoying.
whatever
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Really great observations and comments. I got a thumbs up by a guy driving a flat black 993(I have no idea what version). Also got the once over by a grizzled "old" guy in a beat up four wheel drive pick-up. I looked over and up, he gave me the approval nod! I agree it depends on the people not the specific car. Some people are jerks wrapped up in the drama of their own lives, some not. I prefer the one's who will acknowledge other people for whatever reason, but can also accept those who do not. Acceptance makes my life less drama filled!
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I can't argue that - If I was picking one out, it probably wouldn't have been a C4, but a '96 (last production year) with 30K miles on it is worth just about as much as a non-special-edition C4 can be worth. It's also the first year for full OBD-II in a Corvette and Chevy actually had their sh*t together; the amount of programming you can do via the OBD-II port is impressive.
However, THIS C4 was my mom's - her lifelong car dream was a 'Vette; my pop bought it for her in '96, and she owned it until she died. Now I own it. After some tasteful upgrades, it makes PLENTY of power and gets it to the ground - and I like to imagine Mom riding shotgun when I'm cruising the C4, though I'm pretty sure she's pissed every time I ax or drag it.
However, THIS C4 was my mom's - her lifelong car dream was a 'Vette; my pop bought it for her in '96, and she owned it until she died. Now I own it. After some tasteful upgrades, it makes PLENTY of power and gets it to the ground - and I like to imagine Mom riding shotgun when I'm cruising the C4, though I'm pretty sure she's pissed every time I ax or drag it.