Originally Posted by Underblu

I have found almost universally that the perception of speed and Gs is greater as a passenger.

I think that if you were to actually drive the 718S you'd probably be very happy with your 981GTS. Imho the 981GTS also looks better from the exterior as well.

With that said the SC+ PDK appears to have been well optimized for the 4 cylinder turbo in the 718S. Whereas with an MT, the 0- 60 acceleration that so many "enthusiasts" seem so enamored with is actually only 1/10 a second better in the 718S as compared to the 981S according to tests done by Car and Driver.

Originally Posted by JAhmed

Finally got to ride in a well equipped 718S last week (courtesy of 311RS!) While I didn't drive the car, I was thoroughly impressed by its capabilities. This particular car had PDK + PTV. The mid-range power delivery is not even remotely comparable to a 981S. You can feel the extra torque from below 2k all the way to 7k+ RPMs. It accelerates with true authority, and I actually thought it sounded pretty cool as well. The handling was impressive as well, though not too far off a 981S from my (limited) experience. While I do not regret my purchase of a 981GTS in the slightest, part of me kinda wants a 718S to get the best of both worlds!

Originally Posted by VGM911

I think the car will be quite successful despite the grousing about it from certain 'snobby' 6-cylinder Boxster owners.

Originally Posted by VGM911

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts about the performance of the 718. Since I haven't driven one yet, it's good to hear someone's first-hand experience.

I think the car will be quite successful despite the grousing about it from certain 'snobby' 6-cylinder Boxster owners.

Originally Posted by Underblu

First off, he stated in the opening that he hasn't driven one but was a passenger. I NEVER SAID THAT HE DROVE THE CAR. BUT CERTAINLY RIDING IN A CAR AS A PASSENGER CAN GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE PERFORMANCE CAPABILITIES OF THE CAR.

Second, because some people appreciate the sound, power delivery not to mention the history of a natural aspirated flat 6 as it relates to Porsche doesn't make them snobby. WHAT MAKES THEM SNOBBY IS NOT THEIR AFFECTION FOR THE 6-CYLINDER CARS OF YORE, BUT THEIR CONDESCENDING, PATRONIZING, OR SOCIALLY EXCLUSIVE ATTITUDES TOWARDS OTHERS WHO DON'T SHARE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE 718 - THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM SNOBBISH.

I personally think it's humorous when people mention the new car handles better which evidently they can discern from a test drive. And of course in all of these forum reviews i've never seen a mention of which of the available suspensions from both cars are actually being compared. Sck, PASM and X73 are all noticbaly different particulary at the limits. I also find it interesting that people can so easily discern a couple tenths of a second 0-60 when actually the sensation of greater accleration they are likely responding to is the nearly instantaneous delivery of torque these turbo engines deliver once past the low RPM lag. Still, I wouldn't call those people delusional or misguided turbo lovers.

I appreciate all the opinions on Rennlist whether I agree with them or not. I think you too could disagree with the proponents of the earlier flat 6 981 without giving in to name calling. IF THE NAME/WORD THAT I USED IS APPROPRIATELY USED, THEN IT'S NOT SIMPLE NAME CALLING...RATHER IT'S AN ACCURATE AND FAIRLY DESCRIPTIVE USE OF THE TERM.

Originally Posted by VGM911

In the final analysis, I say "live, and let live." It's no skin off my nose if certain people don't care for the 718, but it's rather rude to criticize the people who do like the new car, simply because it doesn't measure up to the older cars that the critics are driving.

It's not my intent to start a prolonged debate about this, but I simply wanted to present an alternative viewpoint.

Originally Posted by Underblu

I'm good with your alternative viewpoint. I'm not looking for a debate either it was just the snobby comment irked me a bit but no biggie. I even agree with you that many folks will love the 718S.

with PDK and SC+ The 718S offers compelling accleration and quite possibly a sub 4 second 0-60 time

While the 981S with PASM or X73is is one of the best handing cars out there, it appears Porsche retained all that handling greatness for the 718, even improving things like the 10% quicker steering ratio from the 991 turbo.

And of course the already great 981 brakes have also been improved.

So for some people that enjoy the response of an FI engine, and aren't put off the sound of a turbo 4, the 718S provides a very enticing package. It also provides a much improved infotainment package which is a factor for many folks aw well.

Still, Some of us prefer the 981S and its charms with that big ol flat 6.

Originally Posted by CAlexio

Now I'm always going to see scarlet Johansen with her **** cut off when I see a 718 drive by.. Thanks for the visual.

Originally Posted by VGM911

it's rather rude to criticize the people who do like the new car, simply because it doesn't measure up to the older cars that the critics are driving.

Originally Posted by VGM911

This is a nice, thoughtful closing of our discussion about the 981 vs the 718. Thanks, Underblu.

Originally Posted by VGM911

This is a nice, thoughtful closing of our discussion about the 981 vs the 718. Thanks, Underblu.

Originally Posted by CFIMarco

Il you don't care about this 3D feel free to post somewhere else, I don't think you are in the position of stating when it has to be closed.