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To most people, "where you're from" means where you grew up and went to school, not where you went to university or where you live as an adult.
Since Stephen Harper was born and raised in Toronto, and attended John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke, most people would consider him to be "from Toronto". Otherwise you could consider him to be from Ottawa, since he's lived at 24 Sussex Drive since 2006.
My point is, the article claims liberal elites hate Harper because they represent the downtown/urban residents and he's not one of them, which is nonsense. Harper has his origins in Toronto and has spent his adult life in Calgary and Ottawa, about as urban as it gets. Harper himself is about as WASPish as you can possibly get. It's his supporters who tend to be less urban. Liberals dislike Harper because of his conservative ideology, not his origins.
Since Stephen Harper was born and raised in Toronto, and attended John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke, most people would consider him to be "from Toronto". Otherwise you could consider him to be from Ottawa, since he's lived at 24 Sussex Drive since 2006.
My point is, the article claims liberal elites hate Harper because they represent the downtown/urban residents and he's not one of them, which is nonsense. Harper has his origins in Toronto and has spent his adult life in Calgary and Ottawa, about as urban as it gets. Harper himself is about as WASPish as you can possibly get. It's his supporters who tend to be less urban. Liberals dislike Harper because of his conservative ideology, not his origins.
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To most people, "where you're from" means where you grew up and went to school, not where you went to university or where you live as an adult. Since Stephen Harper was born and raised in Toronto, and attended John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke, most people would consider him to be "from Toronto". Otherwise you could consider him to be from Ottawa, since he's lived at 24 Sussex Drive since 2006. My point is, the article claims liberal elites hate Harper because they represent the downtown/urban residents and he's not one of them, which is nonsense. Harper has his origins in Toronto and has spent his adult life in Calgary and Ottawa, about as urban as it gets. Harper himself is about as WASPish as you can possibly get. It's his supporters who tend to be less urban. Liberals dislike Harper because of his conservative ideology, not his origins.
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But then as a self-employed white male gun owner from rural Nova Scotia living in the B.C. interior I'm part of the demographic they really do hate.
10-16-2015, 11:58 AM
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10-17-2015, 09:07 AM
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Careful. Small business owners and self employed are considered "Tax cheats" according to Trudeau and he's coming after you
10-17-2015, 12:13 PM
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10-18-2015, 12:58 AM
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Trudeau Jr reminds me of the incompetent son who takes over the family business after his father dies and runs it into the ground by spending all the profits on hookers/blow. The name on the wall might be the same but the judgement isn't
10-18-2015, 03:06 AM
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Conservatives under Harper:
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
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10-18-2015, 03:15 AM
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10-18-2015, 03:21 AM
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10-18-2015, 05:07 AM
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"Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis."
Pick one thing? This is false and had nothing to do with Liberal policy. Most "in the know" would credit this to good leadership of the Canadian banks and an appropriate risk profile.
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Pick one thing? This is false and had nothing to do with Liberal policy. Most "in the know" would credit this to good leadership of the Canadian banks and an appropriate risk profile.
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