OT - Stop The Meter On Your Internet Use
02-03-2011, 10:44 AM
#46
Drifting
I heard on the radio this morning that the Government has told the CRTC to overturn the ruling, as well the head of the CRTC has been asked to explain reason for making the decision.
I don't know what prompted the gov to act (usually they sit on their hands) but maybe they're listening.
IMO the next move should be to get rid of the CRTC or reduce their powers.
Geoff, I agree with everything you have said.
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the last Budget didn't the government pave the way for Telecom and Satelite companies to be owned by foreign companies.
I don't know what prompted the gov to act (usually they sit on their hands) but maybe they're listening.
IMO the next move should be to get rid of the CRTC or reduce their powers.
... A good portion of the infrastructure was paid for by tax payers.
Unfortunately, the free market isn't allowed to function thanks to the CRTC. For example, the CRTC prevents anyone else from laying lines in areas where they exist. This is precisely why they HAVE to rent their lines to others (like TekSavvy). Again, so it's crystal clear. No one is ALLOWED to compete.
Here's an idea that I know you'll agree with Jaak. ACTUALLY open up the market for competition - even foreign. These guys need a fire under their *** or they'll let the next 10 years slide by too.
Unfortunately, the free market isn't allowed to function thanks to the CRTC. For example, the CRTC prevents anyone else from laying lines in areas where they exist. This is precisely why they HAVE to rent their lines to others (like TekSavvy). Again, so it's crystal clear. No one is ALLOWED to compete.
Here's an idea that I know you'll agree with Jaak. ACTUALLY open up the market for competition - even foreign. These guys need a fire under their *** or they'll let the next 10 years slide by too.
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the last Budget didn't the government pave the way for Telecom and Satelite companies to be owned by foreign companies.
Last edited by Mark Lue; 02-03-2011 at 10:58 AM. Reason: adding comment
02-03-2011, 11:45 AM
#47
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CRTC Commissioners (as of Sept 2010)
Chairperson: Konrad von Finckenstein. 'oversaw the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), negotiated the dispute settlement mechanism of the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, and supervised the drafting and implementation of that agreement.' Gee, how did THAT work out for everyone??!!
Vice-Chairperson Broadcasting: Vacancy. Pays up to $224,000 I gotta a job for you Jaak!!
Vice-Chairperson Telecommunications: Len Katz Last job – Cell phone services company and before that worked for Uncle Ted Rogers for 17 years and before that Ma Bell. Incest is best.
Ontario Region: Rita Cugini. Second last job – CFMT (OMNI) owned by ROGERS. Last job - Alliance Atlantis ...which owns a s**t load of TV channels.
Quebec Region: Louise Poirier. Last job: Gatineau city councillor. Before that – journalist for Radio Canada.
Atlantic Region and Nunavut: Elizabeth Duncan. Last job, President, Cable Television Association of Nova Scotia, Director, Canadian Cable Television Association. Can you spell insider trading!
Alberta: Peter Menzies: Publisher, editor in chief and editorial page editor, Calgary Herald... which is owned by CanWest/Global (Not sure if Shaw owns his butt now or not)
Quebec (sigh, AGAIN): Michel Morin – Chief Editor, Television news, Radio-Canada, RDI. Is there any OTHER job in PQ other then CBC??
Commissioner, Timothy Denton, Lawyer, involved in the governance of the domain name industry through his work with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers and as a director, from 2002 to 2004, of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority. Internet insider. Lots of issues concerning 'control' of domain naming in Canada. This was the guy behind the iron door...
Manitoba and Saskatchewan: Candice J. Molnar. Two decades at SaskTel! Enough said.
Quebec (*&^%$ AGAIN!): Suzanne Lamarre. Another (sigh) 20 year CBC french TV hack.
Commissioner: Marc Patrone: 14 years as a legislative and general assignment reporter with CTV Atlantic. Yup - Owned by Bell-Globe Media Inc.
Secretary General: Robert Morin - various executive positions in several government departments and agencies, including Secretary General of Industry Canada and Deputy Commissioner of Competition for the Competition Bureau of Canada. Lifer in Government -formerly in charge of reviewing competition in Canada. Like WHERE the hell was he then? Good thing he left, we still have 5 or 6 companies running everything in Canada. Had he stayed Bell-Globe might run everything. Wait... could still happen.
BC and Yukon: Stephen B. Simpson - marketing, public relations, advertising, media production and broadcasting. Chair of Totally Hip Software, a company specializing in the development of digital authoring tools for the deployment of multimedia projects to the Internet and mobile devices. His income depended on industry.
So there you have it, a roques gallery of industry players and people who depended on putting food on the table from the big five players in Canada. Can we expect anything remotely supporting the consumer in this country? It's ALL about maintaining the current status (profits) and of keeping out any new groups. The CRTC sit's around and makes sure that the current big five play nice with each other - thats about all they do. It has nothing to do with service or the public. They are currently sorting out who gets what in the current buyback of CTV shares by Bell-Globe Media. They will make 'little' changes (some one gets the A Channels for example) which has already been run past and agreed too by these players and it will be sold as in the 'public' good. Same old, same old.
Remember - these were the same clowns who gave away all of your names and phone numbers to tele-marketers for the do not call program. What happens? These guys use YOUR info from US and off shore countries to call you now. Are they on top of the little guy's problems or what?
Expect NOTHING from the CRTC but increased rates and lower(d) services.
Chairperson: Konrad von Finckenstein. 'oversaw the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), negotiated the dispute settlement mechanism of the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, and supervised the drafting and implementation of that agreement.' Gee, how did THAT work out for everyone??!!
Vice-Chairperson Broadcasting: Vacancy. Pays up to $224,000 I gotta a job for you Jaak!!
Vice-Chairperson Telecommunications: Len Katz Last job – Cell phone services company and before that worked for Uncle Ted Rogers for 17 years and before that Ma Bell. Incest is best.
Ontario Region: Rita Cugini. Second last job – CFMT (OMNI) owned by ROGERS. Last job - Alliance Atlantis ...which owns a s**t load of TV channels.
Quebec Region: Louise Poirier. Last job: Gatineau city councillor. Before that – journalist for Radio Canada.
Atlantic Region and Nunavut: Elizabeth Duncan. Last job, President, Cable Television Association of Nova Scotia, Director, Canadian Cable Television Association. Can you spell insider trading!
Alberta: Peter Menzies: Publisher, editor in chief and editorial page editor, Calgary Herald... which is owned by CanWest/Global (Not sure if Shaw owns his butt now or not)
Quebec (sigh, AGAIN): Michel Morin – Chief Editor, Television news, Radio-Canada, RDI. Is there any OTHER job in PQ other then CBC??
Commissioner, Timothy Denton, Lawyer, involved in the governance of the domain name industry through his work with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers and as a director, from 2002 to 2004, of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority. Internet insider. Lots of issues concerning 'control' of domain naming in Canada. This was the guy behind the iron door...
Manitoba and Saskatchewan: Candice J. Molnar. Two decades at SaskTel! Enough said.
Quebec (*&^%$ AGAIN!): Suzanne Lamarre. Another (sigh) 20 year CBC french TV hack.
Commissioner: Marc Patrone: 14 years as a legislative and general assignment reporter with CTV Atlantic. Yup - Owned by Bell-Globe Media Inc.
Secretary General: Robert Morin - various executive positions in several government departments and agencies, including Secretary General of Industry Canada and Deputy Commissioner of Competition for the Competition Bureau of Canada. Lifer in Government -formerly in charge of reviewing competition in Canada. Like WHERE the hell was he then? Good thing he left, we still have 5 or 6 companies running everything in Canada. Had he stayed Bell-Globe might run everything. Wait... could still happen.
BC and Yukon: Stephen B. Simpson - marketing, public relations, advertising, media production and broadcasting. Chair of Totally Hip Software, a company specializing in the development of digital authoring tools for the deployment of multimedia projects to the Internet and mobile devices. His income depended on industry.
So there you have it, a roques gallery of industry players and people who depended on putting food on the table from the big five players in Canada. Can we expect anything remotely supporting the consumer in this country? It's ALL about maintaining the current status (profits) and of keeping out any new groups. The CRTC sit's around and makes sure that the current big five play nice with each other - thats about all they do. It has nothing to do with service or the public. They are currently sorting out who gets what in the current buyback of CTV shares by Bell-Globe Media. They will make 'little' changes (some one gets the A Channels for example) which has already been run past and agreed too by these players and it will be sold as in the 'public' good. Same old, same old.
Remember - these were the same clowns who gave away all of your names and phone numbers to tele-marketers for the do not call program. What happens? These guys use YOUR info from US and off shore countries to call you now. Are they on top of the little guy's problems or what?
Expect NOTHING from the CRTC but increased rates and lower(d) services.
02-03-2011, 04:26 PM
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Ah c'mon, next thing you'll be suggesting a level of favouritism. Not a chance.
02-03-2011, 05:13 PM
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CRTC Commissioners (as of Sept 2010)
Chairperson: Konrad von Finckenstein. 'oversaw the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), negotiated the dispute settlement mechanism of the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, and supervised the drafting and implementation of that agreement.' Gee, how did THAT work out for everyone??!!
Vice-Chairperson Broadcasting: Vacancy. Pays up to $224,000 I gotta a job for you Jaak!!
Vice-Chairperson Telecommunications: Len Katz Last job – Cell phone services company and before that worked for Uncle Ted Rogers for 17 years and before that Ma Bell. Incest is best.
Ontario Region: Rita Cugini. Second last job – CFMT (OMNI) owned by ROGERS. Last job - Alliance Atlantis ...which owns a s**t load of TV channels.
Quebec Region: Louise Poirier. Last job: Gatineau city councillor. Before that – journalist for Radio Canada.
Atlantic Region and Nunavut: Elizabeth Duncan. Last job, President, Cable Television Association of Nova Scotia, Director, Canadian Cable Television Association. Can you spell insider trading!
Alberta: Peter Menzies: Publisher, editor in chief and editorial page editor, Calgary Herald... which is owned by CanWest/Global (Not sure if Shaw owns his butt now or not)
Quebec (sigh, AGAIN): Michel Morin – Chief Editor, Television news, Radio-Canada, RDI. Is there any OTHER job in PQ other then CBC??
Commissioner, Timothy Denton, Lawyer, involved in the governance of the domain name industry through his work with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers and as a director, from 2002 to 2004, of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority. Internet insider. Lots of issues concerning 'control' of domain naming in Canada. This was the guy behind the iron door...
Manitoba and Saskatchewan: Candice J. Molnar. Two decades at SaskTel! Enough said.
Quebec (*&^%$ AGAIN!): Suzanne Lamarre. Another (sigh) 20 year CBC french TV hack.
Commissioner: Marc Patrone: 14 years as a legislative and general assignment reporter with CTV Atlantic. Yup - Owned by Bell-Globe Media Inc.
Secretary General: Robert Morin - various executive positions in several government departments and agencies, including Secretary General of Industry Canada and Deputy Commissioner of Competition for the Competition Bureau of Canada. Lifer in Government -formerly in charge of reviewing competition in Canada. Like WHERE the hell was he then? Good thing he left, we still have 5 or 6 companies running everything in Canada. Had he stayed Bell-Globe might run everything. Wait... could still happen.
BC and Yukon: Stephen B. Simpson - marketing, public relations, advertising, media production and broadcasting. Chair of Totally Hip Software, a company specializing in the development of digital authoring tools for the deployment of multimedia projects to the Internet and mobile devices. His income depended on industry.
So there you have it, a roques gallery of industry players and people who depended on putting food on the table from the big five players in Canada. Can we expect anything remotely supporting the consumer in this country? It's ALL about maintaining the current status (profits) and of keeping out any new groups. The CRTC sit's around and makes sure that the current big five play nice with each other - thats about all they do. It has nothing to do with service or the public. They are currently sorting out who gets what in the current buyback of CTV shares by Bell-Globe Media. They will make 'little' changes (some one gets the A Channels for example) which has already been run past and agreed too by these players and it will be sold as in the 'public' good. Same old, same old.
Remember - these were the same clowns who gave away all of your names and phone numbers to tele-marketers for the do not call program. What happens? These guys use YOUR info from US and off shore countries to call you now. Are they on top of the little guy's problems or what?
Expect NOTHING from the CRTC but increased rates and lower(d) services.
Chairperson: Konrad von Finckenstein. 'oversaw the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), negotiated the dispute settlement mechanism of the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, and supervised the drafting and implementation of that agreement.' Gee, how did THAT work out for everyone??!!
Vice-Chairperson Broadcasting: Vacancy. Pays up to $224,000 I gotta a job for you Jaak!!
Vice-Chairperson Telecommunications: Len Katz Last job – Cell phone services company and before that worked for Uncle Ted Rogers for 17 years and before that Ma Bell. Incest is best.
Ontario Region: Rita Cugini. Second last job – CFMT (OMNI) owned by ROGERS. Last job - Alliance Atlantis ...which owns a s**t load of TV channels.
Quebec Region: Louise Poirier. Last job: Gatineau city councillor. Before that – journalist for Radio Canada.
Atlantic Region and Nunavut: Elizabeth Duncan. Last job, President, Cable Television Association of Nova Scotia, Director, Canadian Cable Television Association. Can you spell insider trading!
Alberta: Peter Menzies: Publisher, editor in chief and editorial page editor, Calgary Herald... which is owned by CanWest/Global (Not sure if Shaw owns his butt now or not)
Quebec (sigh, AGAIN): Michel Morin – Chief Editor, Television news, Radio-Canada, RDI. Is there any OTHER job in PQ other then CBC??
Commissioner, Timothy Denton, Lawyer, involved in the governance of the domain name industry through his work with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers and as a director, from 2002 to 2004, of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority. Internet insider. Lots of issues concerning 'control' of domain naming in Canada. This was the guy behind the iron door...
Manitoba and Saskatchewan: Candice J. Molnar. Two decades at SaskTel! Enough said.
Quebec (*&^%$ AGAIN!): Suzanne Lamarre. Another (sigh) 20 year CBC french TV hack.
Commissioner: Marc Patrone: 14 years as a legislative and general assignment reporter with CTV Atlantic. Yup - Owned by Bell-Globe Media Inc.
Secretary General: Robert Morin - various executive positions in several government departments and agencies, including Secretary General of Industry Canada and Deputy Commissioner of Competition for the Competition Bureau of Canada. Lifer in Government -formerly in charge of reviewing competition in Canada. Like WHERE the hell was he then? Good thing he left, we still have 5 or 6 companies running everything in Canada. Had he stayed Bell-Globe might run everything. Wait... could still happen.
BC and Yukon: Stephen B. Simpson - marketing, public relations, advertising, media production and broadcasting. Chair of Totally Hip Software, a company specializing in the development of digital authoring tools for the deployment of multimedia projects to the Internet and mobile devices. His income depended on industry.
So there you have it, a roques gallery of industry players and people who depended on putting food on the table from the big five players in Canada. Can we expect anything remotely supporting the consumer in this country? It's ALL about maintaining the current status (profits) and of keeping out any new groups. The CRTC sit's around and makes sure that the current big five play nice with each other - thats about all they do. It has nothing to do with service or the public. They are currently sorting out who gets what in the current buyback of CTV shares by Bell-Globe Media. They will make 'little' changes (some one gets the A Channels for example) which has already been run past and agreed too by these players and it will be sold as in the 'public' good. Same old, same old.
Remember - these were the same clowns who gave away all of your names and phone numbers to tele-marketers for the do not call program. What happens? These guys use YOUR info from US and off shore countries to call you now. Are they on top of the little guy's problems or what?
Expect NOTHING from the CRTC but increased rates and lower(d) services.
02-03-2011, 05:17 PM
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I agree Jaak, the free market should work, but it can't. You're either giving half the info or not fully understanding the environment.
Small point of contention before I move on to the free market: A good portion of the infrastructure was paid for by tax payers.
Unfortunately, the free market isn't allowed to function thanks to the CRTC. For example, the CRTC prevents anyone else from laying lines in areas where they exist. This is precisely why they HAVE to rent their lines to others (like TekSavvy). Again, so it's crystal clear. No one is ALLOWED to compete.
Here's an idea that I know you'll agree with Jaak. ACTUALLY open up the market for competition - even foreign. These guys need a fire under their *** or they'll let the next 10 years slide by too.
Small point of contention before I move on to the free market: A good portion of the infrastructure was paid for by tax payers.
Unfortunately, the free market isn't allowed to function thanks to the CRTC. For example, the CRTC prevents anyone else from laying lines in areas where they exist. This is precisely why they HAVE to rent their lines to others (like TekSavvy). Again, so it's crystal clear. No one is ALLOWED to compete.
Here's an idea that I know you'll agree with Jaak. ACTUALLY open up the market for competition - even foreign. These guys need a fire under their *** or they'll let the next 10 years slide by too.
What part of the Infrastructure was paid for by Taxpayers? I know our network we paid 100% except where we went in with others to help defray the costs. If any portion of it fails, we have to repair or replace it at our cost ...
02-03-2011, 06:16 PM
#51
Fact: people are watching less and less TV.
Fact: People are getting more and more of their entertainment from the Internet.
Cable companies see the writing on the wall and are reacting to protect their future.
That is all.
If I could get cable internet without getting cable TV, I would in a second.
Think 10 years from now. Most material produced for TV will be delivered to the viewers by method OTHER than TV. We already have DVDs, on demand, streaming online, etc.
Also, TV ad revenues are down. The overall money pile in network and cable TV is diminishing. The future is direct connection...which will require massive amounts of data access. Cable wants to be the provider and they need to make some pretty big system enhancements to get to that point....which you are going to pay for.
Just be glad there isn't forced advertising in your online access....cause they've already tried to push that through before.
I want to pay $100 and have unlimited access to the "network" I think that's fair and profitable for the telco and cable companies.
Make it happen.
Fact: People are getting more and more of their entertainment from the Internet.
Cable companies see the writing on the wall and are reacting to protect their future.
That is all.
If I could get cable internet without getting cable TV, I would in a second.
Think 10 years from now. Most material produced for TV will be delivered to the viewers by method OTHER than TV. We already have DVDs, on demand, streaming online, etc.
Also, TV ad revenues are down. The overall money pile in network and cable TV is diminishing. The future is direct connection...which will require massive amounts of data access. Cable wants to be the provider and they need to make some pretty big system enhancements to get to that point....which you are going to pay for.
Just be glad there isn't forced advertising in your online access....cause they've already tried to push that through before.
I want to pay $100 and have unlimited access to the "network" I think that's fair and profitable for the telco and cable companies.
Make it happen.
02-03-2011, 09:33 PM
#52
Drifting
Thread Starter
Or let people roll over what they don't use under their cap for the following months. Or discount back to people the GB's they don;t use if you want to claim your introducing UBB. Not going to happen in either case. Bell want to blame what they claim is 6% of the market using 85% of the bandwidth yet when push came to shove today and their PR rep was asked to PROVE this statement and provide the data he abruptly changed the topic. Owned.
Matthew Fraser has publicly noted that the powerful bureaucracy is plagued by institutionalized corruption.
"According to the theory of 'regulatory capture', bodies such as the CRTC go through successive stages towards their own inevitable corruption. In their infancy, regulators show youthful activism. By middle age, they have succumbed to subtle co-option by industry interests. In their final stages of bureaucratic senility, they degenerate into passive interests of the corporate interest under their purview. It would take formidable powers of self-delusion to deny that the CRTC's evolution has followed the capture theory with alarming fidelity. Created in 1968, the commission was already slipping into complicity with industry interests by the late 1970s. A decade later, it was totally captured."
Statement by Matthew Fraser, a former CRTC employee, Ryerson University professor and National Post editor-in-chief, in 'The Man Who Won't Do Lunch', Financial Post, 10 June 2000.
"According to the theory of 'regulatory capture', bodies such as the CRTC go through successive stages towards their own inevitable corruption. In their infancy, regulators show youthful activism. By middle age, they have succumbed to subtle co-option by industry interests. In their final stages of bureaucratic senility, they degenerate into passive interests of the corporate interest under their purview. It would take formidable powers of self-delusion to deny that the CRTC's evolution has followed the capture theory with alarming fidelity. Created in 1968, the commission was already slipping into complicity with industry interests by the late 1970s. A decade later, it was totally captured."
Statement by Matthew Fraser, a former CRTC employee, Ryerson University professor and National Post editor-in-chief, in 'The Man Who Won't Do Lunch', Financial Post, 10 June 2000.
02-11-2011, 03:46 PM
#53
Just got this...
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Dear TekSavvy Customer,
Because of your support and participation in reaching out to the
various MPs and the Minister of Industry we're pleased to announce
that the March 1st UBB implementation date has been suspended indefinitely.
With over 460,000 signatures having been sent to Parliament Minister
Clement and the Industry committee requested the CRTC review its
recent decision in full, which it has obliged and are now doing.
Until this review has occurred UBB over DSL has been completely
shelved. Minister Clement also added they would overturn the review
should it resemble in any way to the previous outcome!
So, congratulations to all who've spoken up about this issue, you've
made a huge difference. As a Canadian, today, I can honestly say it's
refreshing to know politicians do listen and will affect change when
the public at large shows concern!
Effective March 1st we are going to move forward and make changes to
the Usage, but we're going to make it a positive one!
We are reinstating the Unlimited package but the 200GB package will be
changed... to 300GB! UBB is about Internet Costs, and as a result of
lower costs with our providers (Peer1, Lime Light, etc...), costs
outside our relationship with companies like Bell, we are extending
the savings on to you, the clients... Enjoy!
PS - To view your usage or receive more details on reinstated/upgraded
packages go to http://myworld.teksavvy.com. Please note that usage on
the Customer Portal is currently only available to DSL users. We are
working towards adding this option to all of our Cable users.
---
---
Dear TekSavvy Customer,
Because of your support and participation in reaching out to the
various MPs and the Minister of Industry we're pleased to announce
that the March 1st UBB implementation date has been suspended indefinitely.
With over 460,000 signatures having been sent to Parliament Minister
Clement and the Industry committee requested the CRTC review its
recent decision in full, which it has obliged and are now doing.
Until this review has occurred UBB over DSL has been completely
shelved. Minister Clement also added they would overturn the review
should it resemble in any way to the previous outcome!
So, congratulations to all who've spoken up about this issue, you've
made a huge difference. As a Canadian, today, I can honestly say it's
refreshing to know politicians do listen and will affect change when
the public at large shows concern!
Effective March 1st we are going to move forward and make changes to
the Usage, but we're going to make it a positive one!
We are reinstating the Unlimited package but the 200GB package will be
changed... to 300GB! UBB is about Internet Costs, and as a result of
lower costs with our providers (Peer1, Lime Light, etc...), costs
outside our relationship with companies like Bell, we are extending
the savings on to you, the clients... Enjoy!
PS - To view your usage or receive more details on reinstated/upgraded
packages go to http://myworld.teksavvy.com. Please note that usage on
the Customer Portal is currently only available to DSL users. We are
working towards adding this option to all of our Cable users.
---
02-11-2011, 09:13 PM
#54
Burning Brakes
Why should the majority subsidize the minority??? Why should we not all pay the same electricity bills or heating bills?
The system can only function on a user pay formula. This gov't call themselves "conservative" and govern like the NDP. Where is the small gov't? Let the free market rule.
Those of you that want me to subsidize your movie downloads should sell their Porsches and stop pretending to be be macho. It's just another form of freeloading.
The system can only function on a user pay formula. This gov't call themselves "conservative" and govern like the NDP. Where is the small gov't? Let the free market rule.
Those of you that want me to subsidize your movie downloads should sell their Porsches and stop pretending to be be macho. It's just another form of freeloading.
02-12-2011, 11:36 AM
#55
In a market without restrictions, where competition thrives, even the average user is always going to pick the unlimited package. If you take the gloves off, UBB can not survive in an open market.
