View Poll Results: What to do with my 2008 Cayman S
Drive it until it dies
7
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Trade it/sell it now
13
65.00%
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987.1 CS engine
03-26-2018, 06:46 PM
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987.1 CS engine
I love my 2008 Cayman S. I have 200,000 kms on the car and I have about 120,000 kms on the engine because the original engine suffered cylinder scoring and was replaced under warranty. I have been told by multiple people, including a respected Porsche mechanic, that the engines in these cars just don't last, as evidenced by what happened with my first one, and that whether it be scoring or a thrown rod or something else when they get to this kind of mileage something is going to go. Given the cars age and how many kms I have on it the car isn't worth that much but if I were to trade it now I could still get some decent value out of her. I wasn't planning on buying a different car for another 1-2 years but now I am thinking that I should go ahead and do it while there is still some value because if/when the engine fails then I won't really be able to get much out of it. Thoughts?
03-26-2018, 08:04 PM
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Bore scoring seems to be the main issue on 3.2L+ M97 engines. A neighbour of mine had the same thing happen to his 2006 Cayman S around 90,000 km. Apart from that, oil starvation can be an issue if you track the car, but otherwise the engines are alright. IMS failures are rare on cars with the larger IMS bearing.
I myself have an M96 based 2006 Boxster (2.7L, manufactured in Feb 2006). Based off what I’ve seen online, bore scoring seems much more common on the S models (with 3.2L motors) than on 2.7L motors, but I haven’t seen any explanations as to why.
You can get your car boroscoped to see if there’s any sign of scoring on your current engine. If there isn’t, the car will probably last a while. If you want to sell it and get something newer for peace of mind, go ahead; everyone says the newer 9A1 motors are bulletproof. However, if there is scoring on the current motor, I’d feel guilty offloading a car with a known problem without informing buyers.
I myself have an M96 based 2006 Boxster (2.7L, manufactured in Feb 2006). Based off what I’ve seen online, bore scoring seems much more common on the S models (with 3.2L motors) than on 2.7L motors, but I haven’t seen any explanations as to why.
You can get your car boroscoped to see if there’s any sign of scoring on your current engine. If there isn’t, the car will probably last a while. If you want to sell it and get something newer for peace of mind, go ahead; everyone says the newer 9A1 motors are bulletproof. However, if there is scoring on the current motor, I’d feel guilty offloading a car with a known problem without informing buyers.
03-27-2018, 07:09 AM
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Bore scoring seems to be the main issue on 3.2L+ M97 engines. A neighbour of mine had the same thing happen to his 2006 Cayman S around 90,000 km. Apart from that, oil starvation can be an issue if you track the car, but otherwise the engines are alright. IMS failures are rare on cars with the larger IMS bearing.
I myself have an M96 based 2006 Boxster (2.7L, manufactured in Feb 2006). Based off what I’ve seen online, bore scoring seems much more common on the S models (with 3.2L motors) than on 2.7L motors, but I haven’t seen any explanations as to why.
You can get your car boroscoped to see if there’s any sign of scoring on your current engine. If there isn’t, the car will probably last a while. If you want to sell it and get something newer for peace of mind, go ahead; everyone says the newer 9A1 motors are bulletproof. However, if there is scoring on the current motor, I’d feel guilty offloading a car with a known problem without informing buyers.
I myself have an M96 based 2006 Boxster (2.7L, manufactured in Feb 2006). Based off what I’ve seen online, bore scoring seems much more common on the S models (with 3.2L motors) than on 2.7L motors, but I haven’t seen any explanations as to why.
You can get your car boroscoped to see if there’s any sign of scoring on your current engine. If there isn’t, the car will probably last a while. If you want to sell it and get something newer for peace of mind, go ahead; everyone says the newer 9A1 motors are bulletproof. However, if there is scoring on the current motor, I’d feel guilty offloading a car with a known problem without informing buyers.
03-27-2018, 09:44 AM
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be overly religious with oil changes(read: frequent)/maintenance and drive it hard(although track isn't always kind to m96/7) when warmed up, it'll last
03-27-2018, 02:28 PM
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well, right now at 200k kms it's what, a $20k car? without engine it's an $8k car? $12k to put a new engine in? say a replacement with fewer kms or a newer model is $30k?
options, presuming you want to stay in a p-car:
engine stays good and you have a $20k asset.
you sell it for $20k and put $10k in for a $30k replacement. out $10k but have $30k asset.
you drive it until engine goes, replace engine for $12k. out $12k and have a $20k asset.
you drive it until engine goes, sell $8k roller and buy replacement $30k p-car. out $22k and have a $30k asset.
brain says sell and replace, heart says take the risk that engine lives forever.
options, presuming you want to stay in a p-car:
engine stays good and you have a $20k asset.
you sell it for $20k and put $10k in for a $30k replacement. out $10k but have $30k asset.
you drive it until engine goes, replace engine for $12k. out $12k and have a $20k asset.
you drive it until engine goes, sell $8k roller and buy replacement $30k p-car. out $22k and have a $30k asset.
brain says sell and replace, heart says take the risk that engine lives forever.
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03-27-2018, 05:27 PM
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you can sell it now and you wont get much for it given the age and mileage.
or
you can drive it to the ground and get even less when she blows.
Unless you can get a good sale or trade-in, (In which you have to spend more money anyhow) you should stick it out and enjoy every last drop until you are ready to upgrade.
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you can drive it to the ground and get even less when she blows.
Unless you can get a good sale or trade-in, (In which you have to spend more money anyhow) you should stick it out and enjoy every last drop until you are ready to upgrade.
03-28-2018, 11:18 AM
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we are going into summer now. so now is your chance to fish around to see how much you can get for it private sale while you drive it.
If you see a car you want at dealer, fish around to see trade in value.
This will help you decide if it is time to move it or keep it depending what you can squeeze out of it.
If you see a car you want at dealer, fish around to see trade in value.
This will help you decide if it is time to move it or keep it depending what you can squeeze out of it.
03-28-2018, 09:09 PM
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03-29-2018, 10:23 PM
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So I decided to trade the car toward a 2015 991.1 Carrera with a manual transmission. Took a lot of contemplation and was a hard decision to make because me and this Cayman S have been through a lot of stuff and she has done me well. But she is just a car and she is a car with 200k kms who is only going to keep costing me money even if the engine itself holds up a while. I am looking forward to enjoying my first 911 and learning how to drive it. That said, I still want a GT4 and am hoping to get one of the new ones if/when they come out. Thanks again for the input and votes.
