Oil Change before/after Winter storage?
For those of you who store your cars, do you change oil before or after Winter storage? |
For me it’s before. I like to put the car away with clean oil |
Before.
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I have it changed before storage simply to avoid the work backlog at my indy in Spring. Turn the key and go until Fall. I work in the motor oil industry and have discussed this with PhD chemists and lifelong mechanics and have heard valid arguments for both pre and post storage oil changes. I choose to avoid the Spring backlog and I hate doing oil changes myself.
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We do everything before.. Don't want to get clogged up with oil changes or fluid changes in the spring
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After its out of storage. Now if the previous year was 10-15k then I'd probably change before storage. But for me 2-3k a year.........after storage is fine.
Local P dealer stores clients vehicles and offers a Spring oil change, wash and clean. |
Thanks all. I’ve done before the last two years (the extent of my 911 ownership). |
Wait....
You're supposed to change the oil??! I generally let it run its course and change based on mileage. I thought the TBA in modern oils neutralize any corrosive byproducts of combustion. |
Originally Posted by petee_c
(Post 14838168)
Wait....
You're supposed to change the oil??! I generally let it run its course and change based on mileage. I thought the TBA in modern oils neutralize any corrosive byproducts of combustion. |
Before........ lots of literature.....would you rather take a bath in dirty water before you go to sleep or in nice fresh clean water? Oil does not degrade sitting in your pan, it degrades from being used. But this is all hypothetical and in a real world as I think about my 23 year old honda snowblower that I have changed the oil maybe 5 times and it still starts on the first pull.......am I just more anal about the things that cost more ?........or am just more in love with my boats and pcar more than my snowblower and lawn mower?.....OMG , I have never changed my wifes oil............ |
I know logically that modern synthetics have long lives. Yet , out of an abundance of caution I prefer to overservice. My ten year old Mezger for instance. is a complicated old beast and months of storage is not the ideal thing so I give it every chance |
Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14838218)
Before........ lots of literature.....would you rather take a bath in dirty water before you go to sleep or in nice fresh clean water? Oil does not degrade sitting in your pan, it degrades from being used. But this is all hypothetical and in a real world as I think about my 23 year old honda snowblower that I have changed the oil maybe 5 times and it still starts on the first pull.......am I just more anal about the things that cost more ?........or am just more in love with my boats and pcar more than my snowblower and lawn mower?.....OMG , I have never changed my wifes oil............ |
Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14838218)
.....OMG , I have never changed my wifes oil............ Too many toys, and not enough time and resources to change the oil early for me.... (oil change supplies are close to $80 for the Porsche)... Motorycycle is $30..... I put maybe 8-10,000km probably on the Porsche every year, and change the oil around 12-15,000km.... Recent years, the motorcycle is seeing about 2,000km/yr, but I'm hoping that number is closer to 5,000km this year.... Honda Snowblower is a big HS1132.... Don't know the hours on it, but I bought it used about 8 years ago,,, I might have 5 yrs on that oil..... John Deere riding mower.... about the same... but it at least has a filter.... I probably put 3-4 tanks of gas / winter through the blower.... My kids have taken over most of the lawnmowing, but it usually takes 20-30minutes per cut. I like to keep the maintenance costs on these low, and use the funds to dabble in other projects |
usually do it before.. but this year i didn't as i will be doing some service work before i drive it this year that would mean dumping the oil.
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Originally Posted by Tj40
(Post 14838565)
LOL. I change before storage.......and top off the lawnmower with the dirty oil from the Porsche!! I figure I do 3K a year in the Porsche so its OK for the lawnmower - I did go 10 years before I actually checked the mowers oil. I've never changed to oil in the snowblower, that will probably get fully synthetic with 3K of use too :-)
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Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14839262)
Awesome idea, I broke down and put fresh 0W40 mobil 1 synthetic in the blower this year as I didnt have 30w and was too lazy to get some. Figured I would treat the old gal. Now she was to blow like my 911 |
Before. :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by petee_c
(Post 14840032)
For winter applications, aren't 0w40 and 30w are totally different ends of the spectrum.... (as in it would do better in a mower than a blower? due to running the mower in the summer?)
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Before. I don't want the first gulp of oil to be filled with anything that might have settled over the winter.
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At 1k miles a year I change the M1 V Twin every second fall and filters every second oil change. This is still over-servicing.
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Originally Posted by Ronan
(Post 14837771)
For me it’s before. I like to put the car away with clean oil |
Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
(Post 14853917)
At 1k miles a year I change the M1 V Twin every second fall and filters every second oil change. This is still over-servicing.
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Originally Posted by jumper5836
(Post 14858340)
love the smell of varnish
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Post storage.
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
(Post 14858986)
That's BS you're smelling. There are post use Blackstone oil tests all over this site. One shows no appreciable impurities even after 5,600 miles. Chat's with several Exxon M1 techs confirm the stuff is good for years and we're all wasting money tossing perfectly good oil. Check it out for yourself. Make sure you get past the customer service types to an engineer.
FWIW, I like doing a spring oil change... because I'd rather change oil when it's warm out. That probably won't change until I get a warmer garage. :) |
If you happened to not have changed the oil before the winter, can you simply just drain it without starting since it will all be collected at the bottom? I know it won't be hot oil but...
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Originally Posted by Johnny DB
(Post 14871489)
If you happened to not have changed the oil before the winter, can you simply just drain it without starting since it will all be collected at the bottom? I know it won't be hot oil but...
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Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14871590)
The reason to do before is to have virgin oil on all the bearings rather than potentially used acidic oil during a layup period. |
Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14871590)
Will not ,make a difference, might as well heat it up for a quicker drain. The reason to do before is to have virgin oil on all the bearings rather than potentially used acidic oil during a lay up period. |
I would start it and warm it up. Then everything will be coated. If you change it before then there is a possibility of a lag no flow as the filter has been emptied when you put the new filter on. As far as draining, the difference you get out it probably a non factor, unless you start tipping the car like someone did in here. Jmo |
Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14872106)
I would start it and warm it up. Then everything will be coated. If you change it before then there is a possibility of a lag no flow as the filter has been emptied when you put the new filter on. As far as draining, the difference you get out it probably a non factor, unless you start tipping the car like someone did in here. Jmo If the amount I get out during drainage is negligible, I'll just drain then I'll prime the engine before starting with fresh oil. Really, there is such little mileage on the oil, I may keep it a bit longer. |
This thread just makes me chuckle with all the opinions thats all I'm going to say
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Ok, the suspense is killing me. I'll bite, just in case for a reason yet to be determined.....how does one prime the engine before staring? |
It's not that uncommon, in the 993 for example you pull the DME relay and crank the engine over a few times to build up oil pressure and then reinstall and fire it up. I don't bother doing it but I know many do.
This thread has been good for a chuckle or two. I'd like to add to my Pcar collection so I am going to begin promoting an oil change before storage, during and after LOL. You can never be too safe since we all know these cars are as delicate as faberge eggs. :p |
I am very well aware of the illogical need to overservice my cars and do so more because of a sense of comfort than need. My ten year old 7.1RS has 34,000km on it which includes a 5000km German road trip. Yet it has had minimally an annual Fall oil change plus one or two post track in its early years. Yes, it’s unnecessary. But the whole car is completely unnecessary too. Does not need annual detailing either :) |
Originally Posted by theiceman
(Post 14874771)
This thread just makes me chuckle with all the opinions thats all I'm going to say
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Originally Posted by theiceman
(Post 14874771)
This thread just makes me chuckle with all the opinions thats all I'm going to say
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Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14875110)
Ok, the suspense is killing me. I'll bite, just in case for a reason yet to be determined.....how does one prime the engine before staring? |
Originally Posted by docdrs
(Post 14875110)
Ok, the suspense is killing me. I'll bite, just in case for a reason yet to be determined.....how does one prime the engine before staring? |
Whew , I thought i might have to put it in gear and push it till pressure builds up |
Don't call me.....lol
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Always change the oil after frying fish :D
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Originally Posted by Ronan
(Post 14875487)
I am very well aware of the illogical need to overservice my cars and do so more because of a sense of comfort than need. My ten year old 7.1RS has 34,000km on it which includes a 5000km German road trip. Yet it has had minimally an annual Fall oil change plus one or two post track in its early years. Yes, it’s unnecessary. But the whole car is completely unnecessary too. Does not need annual detailing either :) |
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