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I wouldn't personally circulate uninsured as the financial hit would be unmanageable. So while I would have preferred to not have to spend the $$ on an official driver training course (and would have rather done it in a rear engine car!), the asking price was a no brainer for someone in my position (new to spirited driving of a sports car) before taking it out at the track.
In the end it's as much about removing an element of stress to allow me to enjoy it more, as it is management of a financial risk.
In the end it's as much about removing an element of stress to allow me to enjoy it more, as it is management of a financial risk.
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Ive often jested with John that the cheapest modification he could make to Herman to win a second o more at HD would be an insurance policy!
There is a good and bad side to this. When I was uninsured I took it easier. Now insured I probably drive harder...
There is a good and bad side to this. When I was uninsured I took it easier. Now insured I probably drive harder...
I feel its necessary to qualify Pauls statements in order that folk on here and attending the event on the 28th do not freak out, as I feel the comments are a tad alarmist.
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Just saying thats all. This doesnt have to be a dangerous sport. Depends on your discipline and if you are the competitive type etc.
Its not an undertaking without risk, but I d not think the odds are 50% you will have an incident leading to damage to your vehicle. Probably more like 15% over time.
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Just saying thats all. This doesnt have to be a dangerous sport. Depends on your discipline and if you are the competitive type etc.
Its not an undertaking without risk, but I d not think the odds are 50% you will have an incident leading to damage to your vehicle. Probably more like 15% over time.
:-)
Think I've still been to every Sprint meet since I got my car, bar one where it didn't come back from servicing in time. Who knows, I may have dodged a bullet with that one as that was the wet meet last year. But life without (considered) risk is not life. Besides, I reckon I owe it to Ferry to give her a burst every now and again...
I wouldn't personally circulate uninsured as the financial hit would be unmanageable. So while I would have preferred to not have to spend the $$ on an official driver training course (and would have rather done it in a rear engine car!), the asking price was a no brainer for someone in my position (new to spirited driving of a sports car) before taking it out at the track.
In the end it's as much about removing an element of stress to allow me to enjoy it more, as it is management of a financial risk.
In the end it's as much about removing an element of stress to allow me to enjoy it more, as it is management of a financial risk.
The one thing I don't understand is why more people don't rock up to the Gymkhanas. It doesn't get much faster or more furious than slashing around those cones, it's about the cheapest day you'll have in your car, accident risk is near zero, and you'll learn and practice car control skills that will (usually ) serve you very well on road and track.
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Chris. Great stuff. You are using Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 correct?
If so those tyres should be good enough to get you into the late 1.15s with the cars modifications. Youll need to play with the pressures on them. It can make a big difference and may explain why they were going "off" earlier. Youll find 8 psi change on the track for those so will need to target 4psi under manufacturers recommendation on first session then start dropping them from there. The experience of myself (20") and other GT3 owners is you need to target around 30-32 hot at front and 34-36 Hot at rear but that will differ a little for the cayman on 19". Im sure US Rennlisters who track frequently will give you some advice.
I think you did well for your first time out on that platform. You will find the time drops quickly into the 18s by the end of the 28th and then it will take time and laps to get it into the 16s and beyond. That being said Ive done only three days at HD so probably not the best guy to talk about it LOL!
If so those tyres should be good enough to get you into the late 1.15s with the cars modifications. Youll need to play with the pressures on them. It can make a big difference and may explain why they were going "off" earlier. Youll find 8 psi change on the track for those so will need to target 4psi under manufacturers recommendation on first session then start dropping them from there. The experience of myself (20") and other GT3 owners is you need to target around 30-32 hot at front and 34-36 Hot at rear but that will differ a little for the cayman on 19". Im sure US Rennlisters who track frequently will give you some advice.
I think you did well for your first time out on that platform. You will find the time drops quickly into the 18s by the end of the 28th and then it will take time and laps to get it into the 16s and beyond. That being said Ive done only three days at HD so probably not the best guy to talk about it LOL!
Your right, they were at spec 31lb cold and heated up to 40lb, then dropped them back to 35lb for my last session, it helped.
I really would like to be on my Pirelli tropheo R 18" for the 28th, just to feel the difference.
I reckon there's got to be at least 2-3sec in honing my skills let along the tyre differential of probably another 2sec... So yeah after time and practice that 1:15 might be an achievable goal.
Couldn't fault the car, beautiful. Some better seats and harnesses are on my list though as I didn't feel locked into the sports seats... Anyone know of any Porsche buckets going?
Bring on the 28th.
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Interestingly for me it's probably the hairpins at HD that I felt I could improve the most, T1 and the sweeper felt ok.
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Great approach, and more disciplined than mine. Within a month or two of getting the yellow terror I'd done a CCS performance driver training day and had immediately run in my first Sprints.
The one thing I don't understand is why more people don't rock up to the Gymkhanas. It doesn't get much faster or more furious than slashing around those cones, it's about the cheapest day you'll have in your car, accident risk is near zero, and you'll learn and practice car control skills that will (usually ) serve you very well on road and track.
The one thing I don't understand is why more people don't rock up to the Gymkhanas. It doesn't get much faster or more furious than slashing around those cones, it's about the cheapest day you'll have in your car, accident risk is near zero, and you'll learn and practice car control skills that will (usually ) serve you very well on road and track.
What's the just of the sprints?
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Here is an old example of Pete and Tony at HD. They were both driving the same car. The peak close to the beginning is Vmax on the main straight. Thereafter you can follow each corner.
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23May - Gymkhana
25 July - Sprints
15 August - Sprints
30 August - Gymkhana
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The only thing now is to have the discipline to put the road tyres on if it's wet. What will Lola do? That's the big question....
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As Macca says, accidents can happen (and have) but the biggest determinant of risk is whoever is in the driver's seat, and it's up to me whether I drive at 7/10ths or at 9.7/10ths. Think I've still been to every Sprint meet since I got my car, bar one where it didn't come back from servicing in time. Who knows, I may have dodged a bullet with that one as that was the wet meet last year. But life without (considered) risk is not life. Besides, I reckon I owe it to Ferry to give her a burst every now and again...
PCNZ sprints being timed events (aka racing) are not covered by Prestigio. However PCNZ regularity trials are able to be covered. Same with skid pan / gymkhanas.
With all of the spare 'Island' time I've been reading a book on driving. It's scary how much I didn't know. That and a lot of practice at GT6 combined with real tuition should get me going that little bit faster. Not to mention the new engine management system. The only thing now is to have the discipline to put the road tyres on if it's wet. What will Lola do? That's the big question....
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I feel its necessary to qualify Pauls statements in order that folk on here and attending the event on the 28th do not freak out, as I feel the comments are a tad alarmist.
I count four accidents over two years in RSG track outings from a core group of say 25 participants who regularly attend meetings (usually 15 per track day). 16%. I wont name the incidents but those who have been in attendance since Jan 2013 will know.
I count a further two accidents happening at PCNZ speed series events.
Paul, you yourself have been uninsured for 6 figures+ on at least 3 occasions I can think of including my own car & Neils GT3. Probable a dozen times if you include others in "cheaper" cars. To the best of my knowledge you have circulated HD more than anyone in our group without a single accident!
Just saying thats all. This doesnt have to be a dangerous sport. Depends on your discipline and if you are the competitive type etc.
Its not an undertaking without risk, but I d not think the odds are 50% you will have an incident leading to damage to your vehicle. Probably more like 15% over time.
:-)
I count four accidents over two years in RSG track outings from a core group of say 25 participants who regularly attend meetings (usually 15 per track day). 16%. I wont name the incidents but those who have been in attendance since Jan 2013 will know.
I count a further two accidents happening at PCNZ speed series events.
Paul, you yourself have been uninsured for 6 figures+ on at least 3 occasions I can think of including my own car & Neils GT3. Probable a dozen times if you include others in "cheaper" cars. To the best of my knowledge you have circulated HD more than anyone in our group without a single accident!
Just saying thats all. This doesnt have to be a dangerous sport. Depends on your discipline and if you are the competitive type etc.
Its not an undertaking without risk, but I d not think the odds are 50% you will have an incident leading to damage to your vehicle. Probably more like 15% over time.
:-)
I drove Neil's car like a nana (1.26's).
I've blown an engine instead of crashing, still a $20K bill, and there are a few of these (not sure if we include JMc's own goal)..........
And there there is Tony M - not RSG but was on the NITT.
P.s. I said Russian Roulette - which is 16% chance (which your maths validate).
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All this talk of insurance, I wonder what the cost would be to insure a P1 for the road, let alone the track? Segue into another Chris Harris video (apologies if it has been posted already): http://youtu.be/9VQ3ROolkyU
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With all of the spare 'Island' time I've been reading a book on driving. It's scary how much I didn't know. That and a lot of practice at GT6 combined with real tuition should get me going that little bit faster. Not to mention the new engine management system.
The only thing now is to have the discipline to put the road tyres on if it's wet. What will Lola do? That's the big question....
The only thing now is to have the discipline to put the road tyres on if it's wet. What will Lola do? That's the big question....
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Sorry dude - I didn't mean to sound alarmist - 50% is a bit high..........
I drove Neil's car like a nana (1.26's).
I've blown an engine instead of crashing, still a $20K bill, and there are a few of these (not sure if we include JMc's own goal)..........
And there there is Tony M - not RSG but was on the NITT.
P.s. I said Russian Roulette - which is 16% chance (which your maths validate).
I drove Neil's car like a nana (1.26's).
I've blown an engine instead of crashing, still a $20K bill, and there are a few of these (not sure if we include JMc's own goal)..........
And there there is Tony M - not RSG but was on the NITT.
P.s. I said Russian Roulette - which is 16% chance (which your maths validate).
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