My First Weekend in White Group at Mosport
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#49
Racer
Once, I asked Richard Spenard where he lifted and turned in to T4, referring to a Rothman's Turbo Cup 944. He told me "you don't need to lift, you always get to the bottom; you just adjust your entry to T5 when you get there".
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I was recommending a long cost into 4, without using the right foot on the brake pedal, as a way to get used to not using the brakes into 4. For many drivers, after 100s of laps applying brakes into 4, the muscle memory alone of not using the brakes scares the crap out of them. Once you try it 10-15 times and get comfortable with the idea of not braking, you can really start to carry speed INTO 4. In my opinion, the bottom of 4 into 5 is the scariest part of the track... it's when the teams car feels the fastest.
#51
Intermediate
I'd bet if you looked at your data or video, you are doing almost the same speed at the bottom of 4 as you are at the end of the back straight in your 924s. I know we do in our SP2 cars.
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Gary
#53
Rennlist Member
Just make sure that if you do this you don't find yourself coasting over the crest; you need to be on the power so the car digs in and settles. This season I wrestled with lifting before T10 v-a-v tapping the brake to settle the car, then power....latter feels better but my exit w/o brake is 1-2mph faster IF I don't stay off the power for too long before the turn.
Gary
Gary
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Gary
#55
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Your car is MUCH faster than mine, and just about all the cars I've followed through there do at least tap.....I'm in a non-S Mini (121hp) so if I get through 9 OK (i.e. not drifting out too wide) I can get away with it. Puts me WAY out on 10's exit curb, though --glad there's that little extension outside of it! Gary
#56
Three Wheelin'
Without question your suggested approach is the goal. A long coast into 4 and building up the speed as you start to get comfortable is how you can get to that point. In my teams 924S on 180 tread wear street tires, it's flat out after turn in to 3, with either a a tenth of a second lift or a left foot brake jab for the turn into 4. Mind you, I could only do that a few times this year as I built up the nuts to do it and/or had too much race traffic around. Typically, I lift for longer then I should, or brake slightly, but I know I am leaving speed on the table as I am working on other things...
I was recommending a long cost into 4, without using the right foot on the brake pedal, as a way to get used to not using the brakes into 4. For many drivers, after 100s of laps applying brakes into 4, the muscle memory alone of not using the brakes scares the crap out of them. Once you try it 10-15 times and get comfortable with the idea of not braking, you can really start to carry speed INTO 4. In my opinion, the bottom of 4 into 5 is the scariest part of the track... it's when the teams car feels the fastest.
I was recommending a long cost into 4, without using the right foot on the brake pedal, as a way to get used to not using the brakes into 4. For many drivers, after 100s of laps applying brakes into 4, the muscle memory alone of not using the brakes scares the crap out of them. Once you try it 10-15 times and get comfortable with the idea of not braking, you can really start to carry speed INTO 4. In my opinion, the bottom of 4 into 5 is the scariest part of the track... it's when the teams car feels the fastest.
I would like to see events with a NO BRAKE Race segment. Never done it but the concept rings in my head every warm up and cool down lap.
Just saying it could be fun....
#58
My last instructor had me doing exactly this on the cool-down laps and I kept it up during the past DE running solo. I think the only time I used the brakes at all was for turn 5.