Which do you think is the most competitive class in PCA club racing? Why?
10-06-2016, 07:38 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by hf1
Does this imply that mid-pack GTB1 racers would easily own the SPB podiums ? Or that podium SPB racers would max out at GTB1 mid-pack? Personally, I don't think so.
Big event we ´re 20-25 cars which is 2-3 biggest group in PCA ?
Lend me a spb and id me more than happy to get matt and james out the podium hehe 😉
10-06-2016, 08:32 PM
#62
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Most competitive class? That is easy (I am biased) SPB for sure, no question about it. When you can take SPB racers from all over the country and everybody has multiple people to race with and the front 5-8 cars are separated by a second or so, its the best racing in PCA hands down.
10-07-2016, 06:05 PM
#65
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what I say with my comment that faster = harder, is that 2 drivers with different skills will be closer in lap times in the slower car than in the faster one. This is due to the amplifying effect of being earlier on throttle with more power or better on the brakes coming from higher speeds
Therefore there's more perceived competitiveness in slower cars because they end up running closier together with different set of skills through the field.
Just look at an F1 race and pay attention to the gaps between cars when one makes he tiniest mistake? It creates a 100yds gap right away!
10-07-2016, 06:51 PM
#66
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what I say with my comment that faster = harder, is that 2 drivers with different skills will be closer in lap times in the slower car than in the faster one. This is due to the amplifying effect of being earlier on throttle with more power or better on the brakes coming from higher speeds
Therefore there's more perceived competitiveness in slower cars because they end up running closier together with different set of skills through the field.
Just look at an F1 race and pay attention to the gaps between cars when one makes he tiniest mistake? It creates a 100yds gap right away!
Therefore there's more perceived competitiveness in slower cars because they end up running closier together with different set of skills through the field.
Just look at an F1 race and pay attention to the gaps between cars when one makes he tiniest mistake? It creates a 100yds gap right away!
10-07-2016, 09:59 PM
#67
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The reality is that even though you perceive it as a larger gap when there is more speed, it's only larger in distance, not in effort (of overcoming the distance gap). What you are oberserving is the input of additional speed. The effort to overcome the mistake or makeup the distance is easier in the faster car, which interestingly is also noticeable in F1.
Slower cars have the added 'feature' of not having horsepower to help correct situations and shortfalls. In fast cars, the addition of more throttle is frequently an option. This means that in the faster car, you can be less precise and achieve fast times. In the slower car, precision is paramount to fast lap times.
Slower cars have the added 'feature' of not having horsepower to help correct situations and shortfalls. In fast cars, the addition of more throttle is frequently an option. This means that in the faster car, you can be less precise and achieve fast times. In the slower car, precision is paramount to fast lap times.
10-07-2016, 10:57 PM
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Slower cars have the added 'feature' of not having horsepower to help correct situations and shortfalls. In fast cars, the addition of more throttle is frequently an option. This means that in the faster car, you can be less precise and achieve fast times. In the slower car, precision is paramount to fast lap times.
Precision is key, controlled aggression is key, percentage full throttle over the lap is key. Doesn't matter, high horsepower or less horsepower.
I do agree that if you're quick in less quick cars, you WILL be fast in quicker cars.
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10-07-2016, 11:04 PM
#69
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Matt fast time cause the car itself is faster
How many times you followed gt3 cars at your DE with your spb ?
Do the same in your 996 gt3 and you will lap them, not just follow them.
Driving a 996 gt3 to the limit is much harder than driving a boxster.
Also, one thing i learned in gtb1, once you overcook a pirelli slick , damn its slippery after that for the end of the race. I didnt have this problem in the boxster.
How many times you followed gt3 cars at your DE with your spb ?
Do the same in your 996 gt3 and you will lap them, not just follow them.
Driving a 996 gt3 to the limit is much harder than driving a boxster.
Also, one thing i learned in gtb1, once you overcook a pirelli slick , damn its slippery after that for the end of the race. I didnt have this problem in the boxster.
10-08-2016, 08:56 AM
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Matt fast time cause the car itself is faster
How many times you followed gt3 cars at your DE with your spb ?
Do the same in your 996 gt3 and you will lap them, not just follow them.
Driving a 996 gt3 to the limit is much harder than driving a boxster.
Also, one thing i learned in gtb1, once you overcook a pirelli slick , damn its slippery after that for the end of the race. I didnt have this problem in the boxster.
How many times you followed gt3 cars at your DE with your spb ?
Do the same in your 996 gt3 and you will lap them, not just follow them.
Driving a 996 gt3 to the limit is much harder than driving a boxster.
Also, one thing i learned in gtb1, once you overcook a pirelli slick , damn its slippery after that for the end of the race. I didnt have this problem in the boxster.
I personally don't agree the GT3 is harder to drive at the limit than my SPB. For, it is absolutely the other way around. My GT3 is like an armchair compared to my SPB.
And SPB' ALWAYS overtook their tires. Tire management in SPB is a huge part of the strategy to win in one of them.
10-08-2016, 01:23 PM
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No, not at the top, in fast cars... Full throttle is full throttle! Precision is key, controlled aggression is key, percentage full throttle over the lap is key. Doesn't matter, high horsepower or less horsepower. I do agree that if you're quick in less quick cars, you WILL be fast in quicker cars.
Precision is key, controlled aggression is key, percentage full throttle over the lap is key. Doesn't matter, high horsepower or less horsepower. I do agree that if you're quick in less quick cars, you WILL be fast in quicker cars.I can think of many corners on many tracks like that
10-08-2016, 08:45 PM
#72
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I'm with Matt, for me to be (barely) in the front 1/3 of this very talented group my first season was very rewarding to me. Having 20-30+ cars every race makes it a hoot. When I ran my D Stock car it was the E Group and their bigger numbers that I always raced with, all I can say is it's going to be a loooong off-season...
10-08-2016, 09:28 PM
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10-08-2016, 09:59 PM
#74
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Seb, I don't take my SPB to DE's. when I do, it passes most of the GT3's, Turbo's and GT2's it finds. If I drive my GT3, people expect to get passed, so it works out better for all.
I personally don't agree the GT3 is harder to drive at the limit than my SPB. For, it is absolutely the other way around. My GT3 is like an armchair compared to my SPB.
And SPB' ALWAYS overtook their tires. Tire management in SPB is a huge part of the strategy to win in one of them.
I personally don't agree the GT3 is harder to drive at the limit than my SPB. For, it is absolutely the other way around. My GT3 is like an armchair compared to my SPB.
And SPB' ALWAYS overtook their tires. Tire management in SPB is a huge part of the strategy to win in one of them.
As far as the most competitive class in PCA, my vote would be Spb due to the high skill levels at the front, large fields, and controlled cost. GTB1 is up there as well as others have clearly stated. I'm hoping SPC grows a lot in the 2017 and 2018 season. It's a really nice middleground between Spb and gtb1 for both cost and speed. It has the potential to be a very fun/competitive class.
10-09-2016, 11:51 AM
#75
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Well, i havnt driven a spb but i might understand why you guys say they could be harder to driver compared to my F boxster. Im on hoosier and jrz and i run the **** out of the car and i dont recall having trouble/fear/danger with it.
Is there really a big advantage to it?
Is there really a big advantage to it?