I finally learned what momentum driving is
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#17
Race Car
944s - In a session that permits, try driving entire laps in highest gear.
You learn real quick about keeping up momentum.
Lesson 2 - how to keep wide open throttle and steer with brakes...
T
You learn real quick about keeping up momentum.
Lesson 2 - how to keep wide open throttle and steer with brakes...
T
#18
Drifting
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Thanks,
Jeff
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Great laps, it's always nice to pull a few seconds off the lap time over the course of a weekend. I've driven with Ray a few times - he's an excellent instructor and a great guy!
#20
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I find myself in a similar situation. I have done two DE, both last year at LRP in my 924S, with two different instructors. I have only done lemons events [in a different 924s] before the DE's, only learning [or what I thought was learning] by following a faster car, and I don't mean a better driver, lol.
My first instructor was simply amazing. He honed in on all my bad learned habits; ie. shuffle steering, crabbing, no appreciation of 'the line', braking way too late, missing apexes, etc. By the end of the first DE I was doing 1:11's and one cylinder had only 75 psi...
I swapped out the motor for the next DE and my second instructor was just as excellent. Pointed out the same habits and worked the line mostly and a bit on toe/heal. With the car running well I was best 1:09.5ish He then took me for a drive in his prepped Cayman R [for a "slow" 58, lol] That ride was the eureka moment for me. "OHHHHH... that's what you mean by xxx or not xxx here"... Next run session I was 1:07.0! Too bad my fuel pump let go after and unfortunately finished the day early.
So I say, try to have one of your instructors drive you on track. It definitely worked for me. Hopefully now I have my car sorted out for the DE in two weeks, it sat for 5+ years and at some point was underwater, but it was super cheap lots of good parts on it and a great car to learn in.
For me I think at LRP I have the most trouble with the left hander turn in. Nothing for me visual to know exactly when to turn in. Hopefully more seat time will help me 'get it'. I am looking forward for my next instructor's insight and tips in a few weeks. I use the brakes at the end of the straight, before the left hander, just a tap before the turn in uphill and a tap at the end of the back straight before turn in, the downhill before the straight only if I am off line.
Good luck!
Pete
My first instructor was simply amazing. He honed in on all my bad learned habits; ie. shuffle steering, crabbing, no appreciation of 'the line', braking way too late, missing apexes, etc. By the end of the first DE I was doing 1:11's and one cylinder had only 75 psi...
I swapped out the motor for the next DE and my second instructor was just as excellent. Pointed out the same habits and worked the line mostly and a bit on toe/heal. With the car running well I was best 1:09.5ish He then took me for a drive in his prepped Cayman R [for a "slow" 58, lol] That ride was the eureka moment for me. "OHHHHH... that's what you mean by xxx or not xxx here"... Next run session I was 1:07.0! Too bad my fuel pump let go after and unfortunately finished the day early.
So I say, try to have one of your instructors drive you on track. It definitely worked for me. Hopefully now I have my car sorted out for the DE in two weeks, it sat for 5+ years and at some point was underwater, but it was super cheap lots of good parts on it and a great car to learn in.
For me I think at LRP I have the most trouble with the left hander turn in. Nothing for me visual to know exactly when to turn in. Hopefully more seat time will help me 'get it'. I am looking forward for my next instructor's insight and tips in a few weeks. I use the brakes at the end of the straight, before the left hander, just a tap before the turn in uphill and a tap at the end of the back straight before turn in, the downhill before the straight only if I am off line.
Good luck!
Pete
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Bob, I know I've approached you on the paddock after a session saying something to the effect "you're brake lights are out, I didn't see them in T1". I may even have it on video.
-Mike
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+1 on Mario's "brake lesson"
You put down some really nice consistent laps - good lines.
As to the "no brakes" lesson - you won't be able to do that once you go faster. Brakes and throttle are used to shift the weight of the car from front to rear as much (or more) as they are used to slow down or speed up.
You will obtain the greatest amount of smoothness (ie - speed) once you learn to keep your eyes moving further ahead instead of driving the nose of the car.
This is an awesome starting point! Well done.
You put down some really nice consistent laps - good lines.
As to the "no brakes" lesson - you won't be able to do that once you go faster. Brakes and throttle are used to shift the weight of the car from front to rear as much (or more) as they are used to slow down or speed up.
You will obtain the greatest amount of smoothness (ie - speed) once you learn to keep your eyes moving further ahead instead of driving the nose of the car.
This is an awesome starting point! Well done.
#23
Drifting
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>>You put down some really nice consistent laps - good lines.
Thanks!
>>>As to the "no brakes" lesson - you won't be able to do that once you go faster. Brakes and throttle are used to shift the weight of the car from front to rear as much (or more) as they are used to slow down or speed up.
Thats why I was tapping at West Bend, I just wasn't getting that solid pitch forward that I needed to feel confident in initiating the turn by lifting. Probably because I was easing off the gas prematurely.
>>>You will obtain the greatest amount of smoothness (ie - speed) once you learn to keep your eyes moving further ahead instead of driving the nose of the car.
This is something I strive to do as much as possible, as it yields immediate noticeable benefit. Of course sometimes I slip into bumper gazing and have to remind myself to maintain far vision
>>>This is an awesome starting point! Well done.
Thanks again. I'll be at WGI on 6/1 and 6/2
Thanks!
>>>As to the "no brakes" lesson - you won't be able to do that once you go faster. Brakes and throttle are used to shift the weight of the car from front to rear as much (or more) as they are used to slow down or speed up.
Thats why I was tapping at West Bend, I just wasn't getting that solid pitch forward that I needed to feel confident in initiating the turn by lifting. Probably because I was easing off the gas prematurely.
>>>You will obtain the greatest amount of smoothness (ie - speed) once you learn to keep your eyes moving further ahead instead of driving the nose of the car.
This is something I strive to do as much as possible, as it yields immediate noticeable benefit. Of course sometimes I slip into bumper gazing and have to remind myself to maintain far vision
>>>This is an awesome starting point! Well done.
Thanks again. I'll be at WGI on 6/1 and 6/2