Tire for DE 993 C4S
02-25-2016, 09:50 AM
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Three Wheelin'
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Tire for DE 993 C4S
Hi guys, I am getting ready for the season and wanted to get some thoughts on tires.
Last year I ran (recommended by a friend) Yokohama AD08R and was pretty happy with them. They were a good step up from teh Hankook Ventus V12 I had been running. I am not unhappy with the Yokohamas.
I currently run in the White run group (green,yellow, blue, white, black, instructor) is our grouping. The tracks I will be at this year are probably VIR, WGI and LCMT. The car is near stock, Bilstein HD for suspension work, lowered, weight loss program.
Currently
FRONT 8x18 et50 wheel with 225/40-18 AD08R
Camber -2.1 and toe 0.04
REAR 10x18 et40 wheel with 285/30-18 AD08R
Camber -1.7 and toe 0.13
If you need more info, please let me know.
I was looking at NT-01 which isnt available in that size so needed to figure out what size to get, decided to hit up the rennlist brain bank.
Thanks!
Jim
Last year I ran (recommended by a friend) Yokohama AD08R and was pretty happy with them. They were a good step up from teh Hankook Ventus V12 I had been running. I am not unhappy with the Yokohamas.
I currently run in the White run group (green,yellow, blue, white, black, instructor) is our grouping. The tracks I will be at this year are probably VIR, WGI and LCMT. The car is near stock, Bilstein HD for suspension work, lowered, weight loss program.
Currently
FRONT 8x18 et50 wheel with 225/40-18 AD08R
Camber -2.1 and toe 0.04
REAR 10x18 et40 wheel with 285/30-18 AD08R
Camber -1.7 and toe 0.13
If you need more info, please let me know.
I was looking at NT-01 which isnt available in that size so needed to figure out what size to get, decided to hit up the rennlist brain bank.
Thanks!
Jim
02-25-2016, 10:00 AM
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Do you drive or trailer the car to the track?
In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.
The R888 would be a tire you could drive to and from the track as well as perform pretty well. It is a great tire to learn the limits on as it is very predictable and still has a fair amount of stick. It also has the proper siping to be able to use it in the rain, if desired.
The R1 or R1S should not be driven to on other than the street and should not be driven in the rain. They stick better than the R888 but will give you less of a feel when they do decide to break away.
The Sport Cup 2 is another good choice but comes with a high price tag as all Michelin tires typically do.
My recommendation would be the R888 out of those options.
In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.
The R888 would be a tire you could drive to and from the track as well as perform pretty well. It is a great tire to learn the limits on as it is very predictable and still has a fair amount of stick. It also has the proper siping to be able to use it in the rain, if desired.
The R1 or R1S should not be driven to on other than the street and should not be driven in the rain. They stick better than the R888 but will give you less of a feel when they do decide to break away.
The Sport Cup 2 is another good choice but comes with a high price tag as all Michelin tires typically do.
My recommendation would be the R888 out of those options.
02-25-2016, 10:07 AM
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Do you drive or trailer the car to the track?
I trailer the car. I have a second set of wheels for the track. When it rains I just use the street tires, currently Hankook V12
In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.
The R888 would be a tire you could drive to and from the track as well as perform pretty well. It is a great tire to learn the limits on as it is very predictable and still has a fair amount of stick. It also has the proper siping to be able to use it in the rain, if desired.
The R1 or R1S should not be driven to on other than the street and should not be driven in the rain. They stick better than the R888 but will give you less of a feel when they do decide to break away.
The Sport Cup 2 is another good choice but comes with a high price tag as all Michelin tires typically do.
My recommendation would be the R888 out of those options.
I trailer the car. I have a second set of wheels for the track. When it rains I just use the street tires, currently Hankook V12
In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.
The R888 would be a tire you could drive to and from the track as well as perform pretty well. It is a great tire to learn the limits on as it is very predictable and still has a fair amount of stick. It also has the proper siping to be able to use it in the rain, if desired.
The R1 or R1S should not be driven to on other than the street and should not be driven in the rain. They stick better than the R888 but will give you less of a feel when they do decide to break away.
The Sport Cup 2 is another good choice but comes with a high price tag as all Michelin tires typically do.
My recommendation would be the R888 out of those options.
02-25-2016, 11:30 AM
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Maxxis, and re-consider Nittos
"In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2."
Well there are a few more, but first let's talk about tire sizes. The difference between a 275 and a 285....come on, unless you are a pro-driver you won't be able to feel the differencel....225 on the front is a bit skimpy, buck up and put 245s up there. I run Nitto NT-01 245/40/18 front and 275/35/rear on a narrow body 993. This set up works fine. If I had a wide body, I'd be looking to match up the 245 front with a 305 rear...the 305s have been hard to find. The Nitto NT-01 wears like iron...you'll get 20+ heat cycles out of the rears, even more for the fronts. I have run these at Auto Club California Speedway, the ROVAL. Felt absolutely safe and secure through turn 1 and 2, 120+ mph in the turns.
Then there is the Hankook Z 214....I had bad luck with these tires. They went away super fast. Not getting any more of these...there widest rear is also 275
And then an new player, Maxixis tires...they sell direct. The best you could do would be 235/40/18 front (Bigger than what you have now) and 275/35/18 rear. I am really tempted to try these. Their tread surface looks just like a Hoosier R6. With these sizes, $850 a set.about the same price as Nitto NT-01 tires. And both the Maxxis and the Nittos are DOT 100..as is the Hankook Z214, but I am not going there. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
Well there are a few more, but first let's talk about tire sizes. The difference between a 275 and a 285....come on, unless you are a pro-driver you won't be able to feel the differencel....225 on the front is a bit skimpy, buck up and put 245s up there. I run Nitto NT-01 245/40/18 front and 275/35/rear on a narrow body 993. This set up works fine. If I had a wide body, I'd be looking to match up the 245 front with a 305 rear...the 305s have been hard to find. The Nitto NT-01 wears like iron...you'll get 20+ heat cycles out of the rears, even more for the fronts. I have run these at Auto Club California Speedway, the ROVAL. Felt absolutely safe and secure through turn 1 and 2, 120+ mph in the turns.
Then there is the Hankook Z 214....I had bad luck with these tires. They went away super fast. Not getting any more of these...there widest rear is also 275
And then an new player, Maxixis tires...they sell direct. The best you could do would be 235/40/18 front (Bigger than what you have now) and 275/35/18 rear. I am really tempted to try these. Their tread surface looks just like a Hoosier R6. With these sizes, $850 a set.about the same price as Nitto NT-01 tires. And both the Maxxis and the Nittos are DOT 100..as is the Hankook Z214, but I am not going there. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
02-25-2016, 12:04 PM
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Not much good feedback on the Maxxis vs the NT-01. Seems everyone that runs the Maxxis is due to them being a sponsor and getting discounted tires. Many that try them switch back to the Nitto...
"In those sizes you really have 4 options for a DOT Track Tire. The Toyo R888, BF Goodrich R1, BF Goodrich R1S, and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2."
Well there are a few more, but first let's talk about tire sizes. The difference between a 275 and a 285....come on, unless you are a pro-driver you won't be able to feel the differencel....225 on the front is a bit skimpy, buck up and put 245s up there. I run Nitto NT-01 245/40/18 front and 275/35/rear on a narrow body 993. This set up works fine. If I had a wide body, I'd be looking to match up the 245 front with a 305 rear...the 305s have been hard to find. The Nitto NT-01 wears like iron...you'll get 20+ heat cycles out of the rears, even more for the fronts. I have run these at Auto Club California Speedway, the ROVAL. Felt absolutely safe and secure through turn 1 and 2, 120+ mph in the turns.
Then there is the Hankook Z 214....I had bad luck with these tires. They went away super fast. Not getting any more of these...there widest rear is also 275
And then an new player, Maxixis tires...they sell direct. The best you could do would be 235/40/18 front (Bigger than what you have now) and 275/35/18 rear. I am really tempted to try these. Their tread surface looks just like a Hoosier R6. With these sizes, $850 a set.about the same price as Nitto NT-01 tires. And both the Maxxis and the Nittos are DOT 100..as is the Hankook Z214, but I am not going there. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
Well there are a few more, but first let's talk about tire sizes. The difference between a 275 and a 285....come on, unless you are a pro-driver you won't be able to feel the differencel....225 on the front is a bit skimpy, buck up and put 245s up there. I run Nitto NT-01 245/40/18 front and 275/35/rear on a narrow body 993. This set up works fine. If I had a wide body, I'd be looking to match up the 245 front with a 305 rear...the 305s have been hard to find. The Nitto NT-01 wears like iron...you'll get 20+ heat cycles out of the rears, even more for the fronts. I have run these at Auto Club California Speedway, the ROVAL. Felt absolutely safe and secure through turn 1 and 2, 120+ mph in the turns.
Then there is the Hankook Z 214....I had bad luck with these tires. They went away super fast. Not getting any more of these...there widest rear is also 275
And then an new player, Maxixis tires...they sell direct. The best you could do would be 235/40/18 front (Bigger than what you have now) and 275/35/18 rear. I am really tempted to try these. Their tread surface looks just like a Hoosier R6. With these sizes, $850 a set.about the same price as Nitto NT-01 tires. And both the Maxxis and the Nittos are DOT 100..as is the Hankook Z214, but I am not going there. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
02-25-2016, 01:13 PM
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This is great information...I am not so eager to try them now...the NT-01 tires have been flawless, wear like iron and very inexpensive too. And I can drive to the track with them.
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02-25-2016, 01:26 PM
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And as Nitto NT-01 users will tell you, they are predictable right down to the point where they are showing cord. I have inadvertently done this...don't recommend it.
02-25-2016, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin S.
Then there is the Hankook Z 214]....I had bad luck with these tires. They went away super fast. Not getting any more of these...there widest rear is also 275
It is true they only go to 275.
02-25-2016, 02:00 PM
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I disagree. Those are great tires, and you can get 3 sets for the price of 2 sets of Hoosiers. Multiple track records here on the east coast on tires w >8 heat cycles, and they'll last 20+ for DEs. Have to get the C51 compound, not the really soft one (C71??)
It is true they only go to 275.
It is true they only go to 275.
02-25-2016, 03:01 PM
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another advocate for NT 01
size to use depends on the wheel size and other mods that have been done.
993 understeer like crazy oe, 993 C4S understeer even worse due to the wider rear track and generally wider rear wheel/tire and awd.
To get a 993 to turn well you need to change the spring balance to be more rear than stock, possibly use adjustable sways and get a wheel tire package that adds more front grip. RSR tie rods and RS wheel carriers and a low ride height all help a lot too.
R6/7 are arguably the best but they are expensive and don't last long
there are other similar tires that have a tad less grip and last bit longer.
To me the sweet spot is the NT 01, I get a full season of ~15 mostly open track days out of them. Not as grippy but last a loong time and are satisfyingly grippy the whole time.
But you seem to be looking for more of a street tire
RE71R 245/40 & 275/35 would fit on your wheels though wider would be better especially in front
size to use depends on the wheel size and other mods that have been done.
993 understeer like crazy oe, 993 C4S understeer even worse due to the wider rear track and generally wider rear wheel/tire and awd.
To get a 993 to turn well you need to change the spring balance to be more rear than stock, possibly use adjustable sways and get a wheel tire package that adds more front grip. RSR tie rods and RS wheel carriers and a low ride height all help a lot too.
R6/7 are arguably the best but they are expensive and don't last long
there are other similar tires that have a tad less grip and last bit longer.
To me the sweet spot is the NT 01, I get a full season of ~15 mostly open track days out of them. Not as grippy but last a loong time and are satisfyingly grippy the whole time.
But you seem to be looking for more of a street tire
RE71R 245/40 & 275/35 would fit on your wheels though wider would be better especially in front
02-26-2016, 09:13 PM
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