Deadly crash at Buttonwillow today
12-07-2015, 06:30 PM
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Very tragic but agree with earlier point this is the place to learn from it. When I used to mountain climb all the accidents were published annually. I have never been on this track but I am sure I will land there soon so thank you all that have for educating the rest of us.
RIP to the instructor.
12-07-2015, 07:03 PM
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From looking at pictures, reading of the accident from those who were there, and others posts my personal opinion is a neck injury from the momentum of his head continuing to move to the right after the car hit the passenger side.
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
12-07-2015, 07:16 PM
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RIP to the dead and fingers crossed for the injured.
Brian (has previously used a HANS into the wall at Sunrise as a passenger)
12-07-2015, 07:18 PM
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Sunrise? Can you describe the events that happened there? Most issues I see (running CW) there are over-cooking the entry and driving off straight, or trying to take the corner, tracking wide and spinning into the dirt.
12-07-2015, 10:14 PM
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12-08-2015, 01:03 PM
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Damn... These threads really depress me.
Here is another with more info and a discussion about side impact protection that is worthwhile: http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t-Buttonwillow
Here is another with more info and a discussion about side impact protection that is worthwhile: http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t-Buttonwillow
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12-08-2015, 01:09 PM
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Very unfortunate and sad. Before speculating about contributing factors and drawing conclusions about what, if anything, should be changed going forward, I suggest that we first pin down the facts. There are some contradictory statements in what I've been reading so far, as is usually the case after such incidents.
12-08-2015, 01:17 PM
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From looking at pictures, reading of the accident from those who were there, and others posts my personal opinion is a neck injury from the momentum of his head continuing to move to the right after the car hit the passenger side.
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
This was my understanding as well. No HANS and no containment seat is very sad to see. Unfortunately, it is still pretty common for track days.
12-08-2015, 01:21 PM
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From looking at pictures, reading of the accident from those who were there, and others posts my personal opinion is a neck injury from the momentum of his head continuing to move to the right after the car hit the passenger side.
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
Passenger benefited from side airbag in this situation whereas the driver unfortunately did not.
My understanding is that there was no HANS and no HALO seat, both of which help resist movement of the head relative to the spine.
Whether or not the incremental safety equipment would have helped is pure speculation, but certainly wouldn't have hurt
Such a sad loss, this sport is dangerous always smart to employ as much safety equipment as is feasible
12-08-2015, 01:36 PM
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IIRC. XS in the past did not have EMT's present, only the basic track safety crew. Has that changed?
The Sparco Ergo with removable halo will be my next purchase. I have the HANS.
The Sparco Ergo with removable halo will be my next purchase. I have the HANS.
12-08-2015, 03:29 PM
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Damn... These threads really depress me.
Here is another with more info and a discussion about side impact protection that is worthwhile: http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t-Buttonwillow
Here is another with more info and a discussion about side impact protection that is worthwhile: http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthr...t-Buttonwillow
Peter,
We were just discussing safety issues etc.
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...ay-area-3.html
Very sad.
12-08-2015, 03:54 PM
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I was there. Its extremely unfortunate, I am adding full containment seats to my existing precautions (HANS, 6 point, cage). it is underdetermined if he indeed touched the right side dirt after the esses or a mechanical failure. doesn't matter. All we can do is take our own precautions and remember that nobody is 'safe'.
Here is a quick article with a little background on Ivo
http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...ru-impreza-rs/
RIP Ivo and deepest condolences to his family/friends.
Here is a quick article with a little background on Ivo
http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...ru-impreza-rs/
RIP Ivo and deepest condolences to his family/friends.
12-08-2015, 04:48 PM
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Very sad and sobering to hear.
I'm a bit perplexed though. I was just there the other weekend.
It is a LONG way from the esses to the flag station to hit at such great speed. I certainly can't 2nd guess what happened, but to get 2 off at track out and hit the flag station at 80+ seems something else was going on. Anybody know? I heard there may have been an attempted pass involved when the 2 off occurred.
Which reminds me of an odd thing when setting up for Sunset and moving to the right, I almost got 2 off because I couldn't delineate where track ended and dirt begins, I suppose w/ my peripheral vision. I made a mental note to myself about this to be more vigilant. Winter flat lighting may have been an issue to.
Lot of good talk about safety gear. Making me think twice now about my DE car. No cage, but full harnesses. No halo seat. Makes me wonder what the best compromise for a street legal DE car is now if you try to cover the side impact scenario. Don't see how you can. So the next best thing would be to make track obstacles as "soft" as possible despite being a low probability. Who would've thunk you could hit THAT flag station so hard sideways. But how much could it cost really? Bet BW will soften things up as a result of this pronto.
I'm a bit perplexed though. I was just there the other weekend.
It is a LONG way from the esses to the flag station to hit at such great speed. I certainly can't 2nd guess what happened, but to get 2 off at track out and hit the flag station at 80+ seems something else was going on. Anybody know? I heard there may have been an attempted pass involved when the 2 off occurred.
Which reminds me of an odd thing when setting up for Sunset and moving to the right, I almost got 2 off because I couldn't delineate where track ended and dirt begins, I suppose w/ my peripheral vision. I made a mental note to myself about this to be more vigilant. Winter flat lighting may have been an issue to.
Lot of good talk about safety gear. Making me think twice now about my DE car. No cage, but full harnesses. No halo seat. Makes me wonder what the best compromise for a street legal DE car is now if you try to cover the side impact scenario. Don't see how you can. So the next best thing would be to make track obstacles as "soft" as possible despite being a low probability. Who would've thunk you could hit THAT flag station so hard sideways. But how much could it cost really? Bet BW will soften things up as a result of this pronto.