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teamking 11-23-2014 06:10 PM

An Open Letter to Ron and Fernando from Jenson
 
I thought the folks here on Rennlist would like to help me draft a letter that Jenson Button could send to Ron Dennis and Fernando Alonso:

Dear Ron and Fernando,

Ron, as you are ever the pragmatist, I wanted to help you with your math as you decide between Kevin and myself to pair with Alonso next year. To wit, if you had two drivers that each accumulated as many points as I have this year, McLaren would have finished in fourth instead of fifth. On the other hand, if you had two drivers that accumulated as many points as Kevin, McLaren would have finished in sixth.

Fernando, you need to grow a pair. Obviously, you delivered an ultimatum to McLaren and Honda that for you to sign, I must be pushed out-- you want to be the clear #1 driver. Remember that we are racing drivers. We are competitors. We relish the danger and the thrill in order to conquer all and win. You are a two-time world champion, and you understand that to be the best, you must beat the best. When your career is over, shall it be said of you that you fought the greatest battles, rose to the highest levels, and belong among the greats, or that you were afraid to go race when the odds were not in your favor?

Your most humble servant,
Jenson Button
Any help with edits is appreciated.

jabo 11-23-2014 08:51 PM

Alonso is the most capable driver currently in the sport.
Button is a likable guy, but not a dominant driver.
Magnusson shows much more promise for the future.
Remember, Schumacher, Senna and many others did not obliterate the field in their rookie seasons, but they did show great promise.

Button needs to retire.

teamking 11-23-2014 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by jabo (Post 11825617)
Alonso is the most capable driver currently in the sport.
Button is a likable guy, but not a dominant driver.
Magnusson shows much more promise for the future.
Remember, Schumacher, Senna and many others did not obliterate the field in their rookie seasons, but they did show great promise.

Button needs to retire.

Ricciardo dominated Vettel. Should Vettel retire?
Yet Button dominated Magnusson, and you say Button should retire?

In the three years they were together at McLaren, Button outscored Hamilton.

I guess I just don't understand why he doesn't get more respect.

Larry Herman 11-23-2014 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by jabo (Post 11825617)
Magnusson shows much more promise for the future.

I have to disagree with you. Magnusson has not delivered and remember that last year McLaren got rid of Perez, who was doing a better job and was closer to Button points-wise than Magnusson is this year.

As far as rookies and newer drivers, would you really rather have Magnusson than Kvyat, Verne or Hulkenberg? Don't even try to compare him to Bottas or Ricciardo. If it were me, I'd keep Button for the experience and continuity and beat the bushes next year to find that hot GP2 driver to pair with Alonso in 2016.

ProCoach 11-23-2014 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by Larry Herman (Post 11825820)
I have to disagree with you. Magnusson has not delivered and remember that last year McLaren got rid of Perez, who was doing a better job and was closer to Button points-wise than Magnusson is this year.

As far as rookies and newer drivers, would you really rather have Magnusson than Kvyat, Verne or Hulkenberg? Don't even try to compare him to Bottas or Ricciardo. If it were me, I'd keep Button for the experience and continuity and beat the bushes next year to find that hot GP2 driver to pair with Alonso in 2016.

^^THIS^^

Like Vandoorne or Nasr...

ilko 11-23-2014 11:41 PM

By finishing 5th today, Button saved (earned?) McLaren tens of millions of dollars. Magnussen was nowhere to be found in the points.

It would be a shame to get rid of Button. That McLaren Honda will not be a championship winning car next year, that much is certain. But if they have two good drivers who can develop the car next year McLaren has a much better chance of catching up to Mercedes. And if I'm Honda, I'd be pushing for Button to stay as he already has a lot of experience driving a Honda and knows how things work with the Japanese.

The other thing I'm weary of is the Ron and Fernando relationship. It's a ticking time bomb in my view.

theporscheguy 11-23-2014 11:59 PM

Button finished the 2014 season with 126 points to Magnussen's 55. With all the smaller teams dwindling McLaren may run 3 cars next year and have room for both & Alonso.

skl 11-24-2014 12:41 AM

Always been a Jenson fan... Fred is hell of a driver, but a major drama queen and has an "interesting" history at every team, including his previous stint at Mac.

Hope JB can survive, but working with Ron must test your skills!!

Still miss seeing his dad in the pits, and wouldn't mind it when they show Jessica either!

wanna911 11-24-2014 12:52 AM

Fernando has been pretty drama free for a couple of years now. McLaren seem to want for an elite talent which they dont think Jenson is obviously. No one has signed him so they have the freedom to swing for the fences and still come back to him if needed.

Jenson is a security blanket solid driver for Mclaren at this point. Seems they are holding out hope for Alonso. But highly doubt Alonso sees Button as a threat.

FGL28 11-24-2014 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by wanna911 (Post 11826109)
Fernando has been pretty drama free for a couple of years now. McLaren seem to want for an elite talent which they dont think Jenson is obviously. No one has signed him so they have the freedom to swing for the fences and still come back to him if needed.

Jenson is a security blanket solid driver for Mclaren at this point. Seems they are holding out hope for Alonso. But highly doubt Alonso sees Button as a threat.

Again I wonder why Ron Dennis would hire a guy who 1. Cost him $100,000,000.00 2. Did not show locality to Ron Dennis like Dennis has showed him.

Freddy's response to Ferrari comments pretty much say it all.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/30162869

And for Ferrari saying this says a lot about Freddy. As well as Massa's comments of Freddy being a cancer to a team.
I fear this will backfire on McLaren.

pete95zhn 11-24-2014 02:48 AM


Originally Posted by jabo (Post 11825617)
Alonso is the most capable driver currently in the sport.

BS. He just has a sponsor that's willing to burn obscene amount of money in buying him a seat in a team he wishes.

Q: Who's that sponsor?
A: Banco Santander.

Someone said that he's a superior chassis developer. Where does it show? Kimi's still Ferrari's last title holder...

Larry Herman 11-24-2014 09:11 AM

Hammy has matured over the years, and that maturity has not only won him another championship, it has won him the respect of his team and the general F1 crowd as a whole. Remember when he was such a whiney little b*tch?

Well in my book, Alonso has matured too. He has performed admirably for the last 5 years in a second rate car and has never thrown Ferrari under the bus. Ferrari is going down the toilet, and next year's car will be worse than this year, mark my words. Now they don't even have an automotive guy at the helm. Vettel will be lucky to see the podium and I think that Fred clearly saw it coming, and decided to leave the team. He still has the talent, and I believe the desire and as such decided to take a huge risk to try and secure a better seat. Though I would prefer to see Ricciardo become the top dog next year, I would not be unhappy if Alonso gets the McLaren seat and can return them to prominence.

Astroman 11-24-2014 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by FGL28 (Post 11826179)
Again I wonder why Ron Dennis would hire a guy who 1. Cost him $100,000,000.00

Yes you've pointed that out again and again and again and again and again.

No need to wonder. People move on. Ron Dennis, like any good business man, likely has too.

agdamis 11-24-2014 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by FGL28 (Post 11826179)
Again I wonder why Ron Dennis would hire a guy who 1. Cost him $100,000,000.00 2. Did not show locality to Ron Dennis like Dennis has showed him.

Freddy's response to Ferrari comments pretty much say it all.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/30162869

And for Ferrari saying this says a lot about Freddy. As well as Massa's comments of Freddy being a cancer to a team.
I fear this will backfire on McLaren.

I have no words, you simply don't get it.

Honda wants the best driver and Freddy is the best driver, Ron is going to live with it. Besides Ron's desire to win and make this Honda partnership work overshadows the past.

Massa said that Freddy is the most complete driver on the grid and dismantles all his opponents.

As far as the "Ferrari boss" the guy was a marketing guy in the US who was a loyal soldier at Ferrari and thus was given a job in desperation move that he could not handle. Why anyone cares what he thinks is beyond me. Oh by the way he lost his job at Ferrari this morning.

agdamis 11-24-2014 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by pete95zhn (Post 11826217)
BS. He just has a sponsor that's willing to burn obscene amount of money in buying him a seat in a team he wishes.

Q: Who's that sponsor?
A: Banco Santander.

Someone said that he's a superior chassis developer. Where does it show? Kimi's still Ferrari's last title holder...


What are you on about?

pete95zhn 11-24-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by agdamis (Post 11826572)
What are you on about?

Just that Fernando Santander is overrated and overpaid little princess. There are far better drivers* in the grid, those just do their work, and well they do it, without stabbing their teammates in the back at every chance they get.

*Like Bottas and Ricciardo.

Krokodil 11-24-2014 01:32 PM

And again, Alonso did not cost the team $100 mm, lying and cheating cost the team. You could say that Alonso was the only one with enough character to call them out. I am not an Alonso fan, but geez.

Cheers,

jcs_911 11-24-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by teamking (Post 11825331)

Fernando, you need to grow a pair.
Any help with edits is appreciated.

You might want to edit this part so Fernando knows "a pair" refers to a male anatomy part, and not female.

perfectlap 11-24-2014 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by jabo (Post 11825617)
Alonso is the most capable driver currently in the sport.
Button is a likable guy, but not a dominant driver.
Magnusson shows much more promise for the future.
Remember, Schumacher, Senna and many others did not obliterate the field in their rookie seasons, but they did show great promise.

Button needs to retire.

I'll take Hamilton over Alonso any day of the week. Alonso needs either a slower team mate or one who can't deal with the car to keep Alonso's mental marbles in order.
Good for him but not as good for the constructors championship.

Meanwhile....Hamilton can get on with it partnered with a multiple WDC team mate (even as a rookie) or with a team mate who actually out-qualified him like Rosberg.
Good for him AND good for the constructors championship.

perfectlap 11-24-2014 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by teamking (Post 11825331)
I thought the folks here on Rennlist would like to help me draft a letter that Jenson Button could send to Ron Dennis and Fernando Alonso:

Dear Ron and Fernando,

Ron, as you are ever the pragmatist, I wanted to help you with your math as you decide between Kevin and myself to pair with Alonso next year. To wit, if you had two drivers that each accumulated as many points as I have this year, McLaren would have finished in fourth instead of fifth. On the other hand, if you had two drivers that accumulated as many points as Kevin, McLaren would have finished in sixth.

Fernando, you need to grow a pair. Obviously, you delivered an ultimatum to McLaren and Honda that for you to sign, I must be pushed out-- you want to be the clear #1 driver. Remember that we are racing drivers. We are competitors. We relish the danger and the thrill in order to conquer all and win. You are a two-time world champion, and you understand that to be the best, you must beat the best. When your career is over, shall it be said of you that you fought the greatest battles, rose to the highest levels, and belong among the greats, or that you were afraid to go race when the odds were not in your favor?

Your most humble servant,
Jenson Button
Any help with edits is appreciated.

Why anyone would want to drive for Ron Dennis is beyond me.
McLaren was tolerable for Button because the prospect of Dennis retiring and actually making good on it loomed in the background. Then Dennis came back from his vampire coffin like Vladimir Putin back-stabbing his own hand-picked successor.
Any doubts about what a arshehole Dennis is disappeared with this abysmal indecision despite the obvious points difference. It's pretty clear RD is doing it just to be a dick. The only thing he's good at... What other man can say they drove Mika into early retirement, pushed Senna to the point that he would drive a Williams for free, wasted so many of Kimi's best years in unreliable cars, drove Montoya to opt for NASCAR, and got Hamilton to bail for a team that hadn't won a title in 100 years.


As for Button, if not him then who is more deserving a seat in F1 currently without a ride who didn't stab someone in the neck?
Experience matters. Something Torro Rosso is about to learn.

FGL28 11-24-2014 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by agdamis (Post 11826569)
I have no words, you simply don't get it.

Honda wants the best driver and Freddy is the best driver, Ron is going to live with it. Besides Ron's desire to win and make this Honda partnership work overshadows the past.

Massa said that Freddy is the most complete driver on the grid and dismantles all his opponents.

As far as the "Ferrari boss" the guy was a marketing guy in the US who was a loyal soldier at Ferrari and thus was given a job in desperation move that he could not handle. Why anyone cares what he thinks is beyond me. Oh by the way he lost his job at Ferrari this morning.

Why is it when one points out some truths one gets attacked?
Typical Alonso Fanboi.:rolleyes.
So you would be ok with rehiring a guy who cost you $100,000,000?
Do you forget the tantrums hethrew when he was at McLaren?

If he is such a great development driver how come Ferrari has become a back marker?

And his praise for his car's team? Justified as they had to put up with his bad attitude. Alonso says nothing unless it helps Alonso.

He is already screwing with Ron Dennis. Ron Dennis, for whatever reason, said he would not announce if Alonso was a team member until December. It could be because his Astrogoler picked the day, his wife said she wanted to pick the day or he did it to screw with the media. My point is that your boss picks a day you go with what a boss says. Alonso talks to former King Juan Carlos of Spain who leaks it to the press. Going against team principal. A FU to McLaren. If it were me I would consider giving him the hook or better, knowing Alonso's history contractually barring him from speaking about McLaren with heavy sanctions. They call them Formula 1 teams for a reason.

Remember that in the past Alonso has been in the middle of multiple scandals. So that cancer comment from a former teammate seems to have traction.

jabo 11-24-2014 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by perfectlap (Post 11827073)
I'll take Hamilton over Alonso any day of the week.

Happy you feel that way.
Fact is, both of them have matured a lot, and either of them can easily outdrive Button.

And so I say again Button should retire.

Button is a very good driver, but F1 demands superior driving, and political maneuvering, off the track, neither of which are Button traits.

I think he would be a better fit for endurance racing a la WEC.

The racing in F1 will be more interesting without Button.

As to comparing him with Magnusson based on points? If drivers were rated purely on points, half the field would have been sent home without their cookies after their rookie season.

Ray S 11-25-2014 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by jabo (Post 11825617)
Alonso is the most capable driver currently in the sport.
Button is a likable guy, but not a dominant driver.
Magnusson shows much more promise for the future.
Remember, Schumacher, Senna and many others did not obliterate the field in their rookie seasons, but they did show great promise.

Button needs to retire.

Hamilton is the most capable driver currently in the sport. He certainly proved he has Alonso's number in his rookie year at McLaren.

Furthermore, Button has outperformed Magnusson by a good bit this year. Button should stay.

Ray S 11-25-2014 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Krokodil (Post 11826930)
And again, Alonso did not cost the team $100 mm, lying and cheating cost the team. You could say that Alonso was the only one with enough character to call them out. I am not an Alonso fan, but geez.

The words "Alonso" and "Character" should not be written in the same sentence. You are misremembering Stepnygate. Alonso did not turn in McLaren out of the goodness of his heart. According to reporting he blackmailed the team with his knowledge of wrongdoing and only reported them when they did not buckle to his demands.

If that isn't enough to have one question his "character" then crashgate should seal the deal. Alonso obviously knew about the plan to have Piquet crash and was apparently a willing participant in the deception.

FGL28 11-25-2014 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Krokodil (Post 11826930)
And again, Alonso did not cost the team $100 mm, lying and cheating cost the team. You could say that Alonso was the only one with enough character to call them out. I am not an Alonso fan, but geez.

Cheers,

Sure buddy!

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...plicated_N.htm

RajDatta 11-27-2014 08:49 AM

The hate on rennlist just amazes me. Wow, what a way to live life. Just saying...

mklaskin 11-27-2014 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by 968TurboS (Post 11834112)
The hate on rennlist just amazes me. Wow, what a way to live life. Just saying...

Almost as amazing as some of the "facts" people toss out.

Because a few jamokes on Rennlist have a better understanding of the (worlds most complicated) sport than the people who run it...

FGL28 11-27-2014 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Ray S (Post 11829921)
Hamilton is the most capable driver currently in the sport. He certainly proved he has Alonso's number in his rookie year at McLaren.

Furthermore, Button has outperformed Magnusson by a good bit this year. Button should stay.

Ray,

You have to remember that, regardless of the facts, you are part of the hate mongers and the jamokes who have less than no clue on how the worlds most complicated sport works.:rolleyes:

rockitman 11-27-2014 04:11 PM

Button needs to go to WEC...he no longer has the killer instinct on the track to be a contender in F1.

smlporsche 11-27-2014 08:06 PM

But Button has strong ties to Japan and I think Honda would want to capitalize on them.

major dad 11-27-2014 08:42 PM

Very good 10 out of 10.


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