jrgordonsenior

Just released this afternoon....

Test showed no alcohol or drugs. Tires were over 9 years old....

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5169162/?sub_id=476069

schwank

Saw that today... original 9 year old tires and one worn out brake rotor. But pretty much as I expected... the car was fine, the drivers were fast&furious.

MikeJim

The report says "speed" caused the crash. The "speed" was estimated somewhere between 81 and 94 miles per hour.

That's a cool down lap where I come from.

Der ABT

Guessing they got the speeds from length of skid marks.....did they take into account that 9 year old tires will most likely not have the same grip level as what they usually calculate?

Land Jet

I regularly see the cops cruising at 85mph, so what's the big deal. 9 year old tires on the other hand would definitely have way less grip than a fresh set.

Veloce Raptor

Both indicate SIGNIFICANT driver error.

jrgordonsenior

There were 6 owners of this CGT, the previous being Graham Rahal who complained how poorly the car handled. The fact that not one of them thought about or bothered to change the tires is amazing to me.....

multi21

^^ I see your point, but the tires wouldn't have been a factor if driving within limits of that area....obviously any performance driving would be different. No different than taking your Del Mar winning thoroughbred race horse on a trail ride or pulling a Budweiser wagon and blaming the horseshoes when it all went wrong. The saying horses for courses is on the money for this one and that industrial area is no where to be hitting 94 MPH both from a road design stand point and "run off area" with immovable objects

jakermc

The speed limit was 45 mph. Understand the big deal now?

jrgordonsenior

No argument but.... they had just pulled away from their event where the car had been sitting all day. So cold 9 year old brittle tires, too much speed, and what looked like a off-camber turn from the photos I saw. Prescription for a wreck....

FGL28

Hey,
New tires cost a lot of money!

Frank 993 C4S

Yeah but then it wouldn't be original anymore.

rlips

Reminds me of a 30 year old AMC pacer
i saw at a cars and coffee...the guy was boasting that even the tires were original!

996tnz

Yes. One of the reports had several witnesses report the car fishtailing and squirrelling under acceleration earlier in that same run. The plan view of the skid near the end of either the Sherriff's or the MAIT report suggests the car ran the bend a bit wider than they expected, with the loaded outside wheels traversing the Botts dots. Stiff sports suspension and tires with stiff 9 year old (closer to 10) sidewalls and hardened contact patches are not going to do a great job of soaking up big bumps like that while maintaining contact with the road and tracking true.

The odometer couldn't be read but looking at the last reading (~3300 miles less than 3 months prior) it appears Roger had probably driven it for under 1000 miles, and likely much less so would not have had time to fully attune himself to it, making any reflexive save that much harder.

Perhaps the most surprising finding in the report was actually that one ceramic brake rotor was already below minimum thickness on a car that had almost certainly done only 3300-5000 miles from new. For Porsche's sake, I hope most of those miles were time attack track miles or Porsche's original 180,000 mile life claim for these things is looking utterly ridiculous. Or did a ceramic rotor break within the first 5000 miles and get replaced with a used one? Either way, at something like USD 15K-20K per set, that's crazy expensive braking per mile.

Veloce Raptor

Was it a 4 door? If so, it was a Panamera...