The new Porsche 911 GT3 is terrible!
07-24-2013, 05:15 AM
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The new Porsche 911 GT3 is terrible!
Shocking news: The new Porsche 911 GT3 is terrible! It’s a huge disappointment, a broken dream. Cancel your deposit if you’ve made one, and tear up your check if you haven’t. And write to the German ambassador to demand some kind of formal inquiry.
No, not really. We’re just kidding.
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07-24-2013, 11:43 AM
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07-24-2013, 03:48 PM
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No doubt it is a great car, but for whom? The target customer seems have "shifted" from those who derive enjoyment through involvement and mastery of a challenging car to those who want bragging rights of faster lap times "flat out" regardless of their skill level. For the life of me I cannot understand how taking out the skill and control of shifting yourself makes any car more enjoyable on the track for anyone with two legs. I can understand it in professional racing where winning is paramount, but for DE and club racing I am baffled. My goal is smiles per mile and a three pedal stick car beats the hell out of any PRNDL, flappy paddle or not.
07-24-2013, 04:17 PM
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Tedster, I agree, I am a purist in the same sense.
However, it occurs to me that had early car development gone the electric route (supposing there was better battery technology to make it work) and we all drove cars with just one speed, that didn't need multiple gears, would I be missing anything? Would I want more complication?
Why don't we go back to manually adjusting ignition advance?
Where do you draw the line? People like us will always like shifting. A new generation will never be able to understand wanting the extra complexity, when the car can do it better anyways, and it leaves you more focus for things like traction.
However, it occurs to me that had early car development gone the electric route (supposing there was better battery technology to make it work) and we all drove cars with just one speed, that didn't need multiple gears, would I be missing anything? Would I want more complication?
Why don't we go back to manually adjusting ignition advance?
Where do you draw the line? People like us will always like shifting. A new generation will never be able to understand wanting the extra complexity, when the car can do it better anyways, and it leaves you more focus for things like traction.
07-24-2013, 04:47 PM
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No doubt it is a great car, but for whom? The target customer seems have "shifted" from those who derive enjoyment through involvement and mastery of a challenging car to those who want bragging rights of faster lap times "flat out" regardless of their skill level. For the life of me I cannot understand how taking out the skill and control of shifting yourself makes any car more enjoyable on the track for anyone with two legs. I can understand it in professional racing where winning is paramount, but for DE and club racing I am baffled. My goal is smiles per mile and a three pedal stick car beats the hell out of any PRNDL, flappy paddle or not.
The other slippery slope: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mahendra...-a-google-car/
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07-24-2013, 06:10 PM
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No doubt it is a great car, but for whom? The target customer seems have "shifted" from those who derive enjoyment through involvement and mastery of a challenging car to those who want bragging rights of faster lap times "flat out" regardless of their skill level. For the life of me I cannot understand how taking out the skill and control of shifting yourself makes any car more enjoyable on the track for anyone with two legs. I can understand it in professional racing where winning is paramount, but for DE and club racing I am baffled. My goal is smiles per mile and a three pedal stick car beats the hell out of any PRNDL, flappy paddle or not.
Real drivers should be able to double clutch and match gears without help from stupid synchros, but most of us prefer using synchros.
Progress is just a way of life, just ask the 356 and air-cooled 911 drivers.
If you want old school, give up your ABS, stability control and other aids along with your PDK
Greg
PS I miss ABS on my 1982 SC, flat spots are expensive
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07-24-2013, 06:23 PM
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I have no doubt that there were drivers who said the same thing when synchro gearboxes came out.
Real drivers should be able to double clutch and match gears without help from stupid synchros, but most of us prefer using synchros.
Progress is just a way of life, just ask the 356 and air-cooled 911 drivers.
If you want old school, give up your ABS, stability control and other aids along with your PDK
Greg
PS I miss ABS on my 1982 SC, flat spots are expensive
Real drivers should be able to double clutch and match gears without help from stupid synchros, but most of us prefer using synchros.
Progress is just a way of life, just ask the 356 and air-cooled 911 drivers.
If you want old school, give up your ABS, stability control and other aids along with your PDK
Greg
PS I miss ABS on my 1982 SC, flat spots are expensive
and for those of you who haven't driven a modern dual clutch paddle shift (on the street or track), give it a chance before you knock it...they are amazing gearboxes. I enjoy them as much as a traditional manual, but in a different way.
07-24-2013, 06:49 PM
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The visceral experience will, as it always does, come near or at the limits of the platform.
I assure you they are all still there, waiting for us to go get them.
It will be the best eva!
The visceral experience will, as it always does, come near or at the limits of the platform.
I assure you they are all still there, waiting for us to go get them.
It will be the best eva!
07-24-2013, 08:23 PM
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Put me in the camp of guys that want a true h-pattern gear shift in a car like this. HOWEVER.... that's purely for nostalgic reasons as I'm sure the PDK in the new GT3 is FAR superior than what I'm capable of and would improve the overall driving at the limit experience.
I think the current GT3 Cup gear shifting experience is somewhat dissatisfying. The up shifts are surely etherial but the downshifts are, well, less than that and make me long for the h-pattern at times. So, in my mind, the PDK is the answer to the current Cup gearbox dilemma...as much as I'd like to resist it...
Unfortunately, in 10 years no one will remember manually matching revs....
I think the current GT3 Cup gear shifting experience is somewhat dissatisfying. The up shifts are surely etherial but the downshifts are, well, less than that and make me long for the h-pattern at times. So, in my mind, the PDK is the answer to the current Cup gearbox dilemma...as much as I'd like to resist it...
Unfortunately, in 10 years no one will remember manually matching revs....
07-24-2013, 09:12 PM
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They always are. 
Agree on all points. Perhaps the paddle system on 991 Cup will be the sweet spot.
Put me in the camp of guys that want a true h-pattern gear shift in a car like this. HOWEVER.... that's purely for nostalgic reasons as I'm sure the PDK in the new GT3 is FAR superior than what I'm capable of and would improve the overall driving at the limit experience.
I think the current GT3 Cup gear shifting experience is somewhat dissatisfying. The up shifts are surely etherial but the downshifts are, well, less than that and make me long for the h-pattern at times. So, in my mind, the PDK is the answer to the current Cup gearbox dilemma...as much as I'd like to resist it...
Unfortunately, in 10 years no one will remember manually matching revs....
I think the current GT3 Cup gear shifting experience is somewhat dissatisfying. The up shifts are surely etherial but the downshifts are, well, less than that and make me long for the h-pattern at times. So, in my mind, the PDK is the answer to the current Cup gearbox dilemma...as much as I'd like to resist it...
Unfortunately, in 10 years no one will remember manually matching revs....
07-24-2013, 11:10 PM
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I have, a lot...and I always feel like I'm driving a toy...or video game. Completely disconnected from the drive. That's not what I'm looking for in my driving. Faster? Sure...but as I've said before, until someone is paying me to be the fastest out there, ill take the visceral feel of the drive over the electronic gizmos any day.
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