Sebring updates
02-11-2013, 01:00 PM
#181
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Man......before the green flag even drops, at about 48 seconds, the orange car gets right up next to the car on the inside....looks like within a foot.....why would you do that? Is there an upside to this of which I am unaware, except to perhaps intimidate someone? This same orange car is the one that has contact in T1, but this time the other car (to the right) is right up next to the orange car's passenger door. He HAS to know how close he is, no?? There was plenty of room to the outside of the track to avoid the contact, or so it appears.....I don't get it......
02-11-2013, 01:33 PM
#183
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A bit late to party here, here is a Vid of 1st lap night race with wreck, ( i picked wrong line... again) /then both starts and a bit of (stroking ) for my self passing cars as i qualified horribly for the 1st red race And yes "SoClose" 
i had to delete Your repass as it does not look good in my perpertual quest of any sponsorship $$... Fun racing with you though.. they way it should be.
My .02 on race, its all been covered here, but why the heck does sebring only have ONE! flat bed struck for our race???
WE went around and around and around so many times, and nothing moved! Rant over, heres the vid.
i had to delete Your repass as it does not look good in my perpertual quest of any sponsorship $$... Fun racing with you though.. they way it should be. My .02 on race, its all been covered here, but why the heck does sebring only have ONE! flat bed struck for our race???
WE went around and around and around so many times, and nothing moved! Rant over, heres the vid. 
02-11-2013, 03:34 PM
#185
Burning Brakes
ahhh... thats not Sebring... Hmm, but my shift points were all good... i dont understand....
i guess for the astute few out there, do you need a job here in the great cold north?
02-11-2013, 05:11 PM
#186
02-11-2013, 05:26 PM
#187
This may be a little too gentlemanly for some of you guys, but here is some text from the Porsche Racing Club Rule Book:
II. Race Start Conduct
The start of the race is one of the most critically dangerous periods of the race. We have our grid full of cars in close proximity, lined up in a speed order that is never totally representative of the straight-line performance that can be decisive in the drag race away from the green flag.
We are not racing a grid full of equal cars, or cars with similar acceleration potential. As a result, our starts are even more dangerous and require higher levels of concentration and respect between the drivers. Our green flag start will be conducted in rows, 2 x 2, with a minimum of one car length between rows. The pole sitter should have completed the latter portion of the pace lap at a speed that allows the grid to form behind them.
The pole sitter will bring the field to the green flag at approximately 65mph.
Once the field is shown the green flag, racing commences for all cars through the field and safe overtaking can occur prior to the start line, by cars deeper in the field. We will be observing cars throughout the grid and looking for drivers who lag-back in an effort to get a run at the start.
Particularly those offenders who seek to run 3 wide in opportunist passes on the way to the first corner - we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
In an effort to maintain safety we will limit the cars to 2 wide on the start straight and through the first corner - once again; we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
That last paragraph is what keeps things relatively sane. Some might find it overly restrictive, but it works.
Scott
II. Race Start Conduct
The start of the race is one of the most critically dangerous periods of the race. We have our grid full of cars in close proximity, lined up in a speed order that is never totally representative of the straight-line performance that can be decisive in the drag race away from the green flag.
We are not racing a grid full of equal cars, or cars with similar acceleration potential. As a result, our starts are even more dangerous and require higher levels of concentration and respect between the drivers. Our green flag start will be conducted in rows, 2 x 2, with a minimum of one car length between rows. The pole sitter should have completed the latter portion of the pace lap at a speed that allows the grid to form behind them.
The pole sitter will bring the field to the green flag at approximately 65mph.
Once the field is shown the green flag, racing commences for all cars through the field and safe overtaking can occur prior to the start line, by cars deeper in the field. We will be observing cars throughout the grid and looking for drivers who lag-back in an effort to get a run at the start.
Particularly those offenders who seek to run 3 wide in opportunist passes on the way to the first corner - we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
In an effort to maintain safety we will limit the cars to 2 wide on the start straight and through the first corner - once again; we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
That last paragraph is what keeps things relatively sane. Some might find it overly restrictive, but it works.
Scott
02-11-2013, 05:41 PM
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This may be a little too gentlemanly for some of you guys, but here is some text from the Porsche Racing Club Rule Book:
II. Race Start Conduct
The start of the race is one of the most critically dangerous periods of the race. We have our grid full of cars in close proximity, lined up in a speed order that is never totally representative of the straight-line performance that can be decisive in the drag race away from the green flag.
We are not racing a grid full of equal cars, or cars with similar acceleration potential. As a result, our starts are even more dangerous and require higher levels of concentration and respect between the drivers. Our green flag start will be conducted in rows, 2 x 2, with a minimum of one car length between rows. The pole sitter should have completed the latter portion of the pace lap at a speed that allows the grid to form behind them.
The pole sitter will bring the field to the green flag at approximately 65mph.
Once the field is shown the green flag, racing commences for all cars through the field and safe overtaking can occur prior to the start line, by cars deeper in the field. We will be observing cars throughout the grid and looking for drivers who lag-back in an effort to get a run at the start.
Particularly those offenders who seek to run 3 wide in opportunist passes on the way to the first corner - we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
In an effort to maintain safety we will limit the cars to 2 wide on the start straight and through the first corner - once again; we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
That last paragraph is what keeps things relatively sane. Some might find it overly restrictive, but it works.
Scott
II. Race Start Conduct
The start of the race is one of the most critically dangerous periods of the race. We have our grid full of cars in close proximity, lined up in a speed order that is never totally representative of the straight-line performance that can be decisive in the drag race away from the green flag.
We are not racing a grid full of equal cars, or cars with similar acceleration potential. As a result, our starts are even more dangerous and require higher levels of concentration and respect between the drivers. Our green flag start will be conducted in rows, 2 x 2, with a minimum of one car length between rows. The pole sitter should have completed the latter portion of the pace lap at a speed that allows the grid to form behind them.
The pole sitter will bring the field to the green flag at approximately 65mph.
Once the field is shown the green flag, racing commences for all cars through the field and safe overtaking can occur prior to the start line, by cars deeper in the field. We will be observing cars throughout the grid and looking for drivers who lag-back in an effort to get a run at the start.
Particularly those offenders who seek to run 3 wide in opportunist passes on the way to the first corner - we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
In an effort to maintain safety we will limit the cars to 2 wide on the start straight and through the first corner - once again; we are not looking for our race victor from the start straight or first corner.
That last paragraph is what keeps things relatively sane. Some might find it overly restrictive, but it works.
Scott
02-11-2013, 06:17 PM
#189
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I was with you until the 3 wide/2 wide rules
A good, tight formation at the start is important and was not enforced at Sebring. The starter should be willing to wave off the group if the cars are not lined up well. Everyone would be motivated to line up properly if the time or lap count starts on the first pass of the S/F line.
A good, tight formation at the start is important and was not enforced at Sebring. The starter should be willing to wave off the group if the cars are not lined up well. Everyone would be motivated to line up properly if the time or lap count starts on the first pass of the S/F line.
02-11-2013, 06:46 PM
#191
Well, if the PRC start rules were in place, how much carnage at Sebring could have been avoided? Again, we are talking Club Racing here. The Spec 911 class that the PRC runs has phenomenal racing with very little carnage.
As someone coming from motorcycle road racing with standing starts, large grids, and 20 plus bikes all going fro the same piece of real estate, the PRC rules seemed a little restrictive to me too. But, after watching a bunch of PRC races and participating in several, I have come around and appreciate the sanity. Yes, it is hard to make up much ground on the start, but I don't here a lot of talk about having to re-tub $150,000 race cars either.
Scott
As someone coming from motorcycle road racing with standing starts, large grids, and 20 plus bikes all going fro the same piece of real estate, the PRC rules seemed a little restrictive to me too. But, after watching a bunch of PRC races and participating in several, I have come around and appreciate the sanity. Yes, it is hard to make up much ground on the start, but I don't here a lot of talk about having to re-tub $150,000 race cars either.
Scott
02-11-2013, 06:57 PM
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I was with you until the 3 wide/2 wide rules
A good, tight formation at the start is important and was not enforced at Sebring. The starter should be willing to wave off the group if the cars are not lined up well. Everyone would be motivated to line up properly if the time or lap count starts on the first pass of the S/F line.
A good, tight formation at the start is important and was not enforced at Sebring. The starter should be willing to wave off the group if the cars are not lined up well. Everyone would be motivated to line up properly if the time or lap count starts on the first pass of the S/F line.
We had a really bad start at one PCA Lime Rock race, with the pole car going down the last turn flat out until he caught the pace car and had to nearly lock up the brakes. I was still trying to catch him when he slowed unexpectedly, and I could not slow down quite that much. But I saw the green come out and gunned it. In SCCA that would have meant I was ok, but in PCA I got penalized for jumping the start...
02-11-2013, 07:07 PM
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Scott,
We have phenomenal racing in PCA at most races with out this 2 wide rule.
Sebring is an outlier for the multitude of reasons we have all beaten to death here . It is not a fundamental racing issue.
We have phenomenal racing in PCA at most races with out this 2 wide rule.
Sebring is an outlier for the multitude of reasons we have all beaten to death here . It is not a fundamental racing issue.
02-11-2013, 08:55 PM
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