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Old 05-20-2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by M_Weining
Side note to give credit where credit is due:

I was a couple of racers (Denny Voss, Mark Barr and Vaughan Scott) that came up with hp to wt concept and developed the rules. They just happened to select NASA as the group to race with since they had competed with NASA in other series.

http://www.theracesite.com/print.cfm?form_article=6419

The transition from racer run to NASA run was not as smooth as one would have hoped.

And yes, NASA was wise to allow GTS to run with them.
Thanks. You're correct of course, I remember all the messy details I just didn't think it relevant to the OP's questions. That's not to dismiss in any way the ugly way it happened......
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Originally Posted by dan212
Weight aside, depending on the modifications, you could run in K. A friend has a GT3 and because he put one of those Monster carbon fiber wings on he started is in K. Then he figured he might as well regear it. Runs in K. He gutted his car and is still not quite to the minimum weight.

If your car is REALLY 2700 (thats impressive), add your own weight and some fuel. At most you would carry a tiny bit of ballast. Less if you carry a cool suit box. If your tranny hasn't been regeared thats a handicap, but not overwhelming. I think you will get creamed if you go into one of the GT classes 3 or 4 without regearing the tranny.

If you are going to run in K, you might as well put a cup wing on. Doesn't have to be an RS carbon fiber wing.

But what do I know?
Wouldn't regearing take it out of stock or prepared?
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Originally Posted by jrgordonsenior
Thanks. You're correct of course, I remember all the messy details I just didn't think it relevant to the OP's questions. That's not to dismiss in any way the ugly way it happened......
Yeah, definitely strayed a bit but always like to make sure the right folks get credit for creating things.

Back on topic:
The concept of "just get out there and start racing" is a great one and a good way to see if you like the whole race experience and find out what group(s) you want to race with.

Originally Posted by Big Al HURT123
Wouldn't regearing take it out of stock or prepared?
Yes, you are only allowed to change the ring and pinion in prepared.

oops: Just double checked. Was not aware of the exception for the 996/997/Boxster/Cayman:

5. Transmission - Ratio of the ring and pinion may be changed. For 996/997/Boxster/Cayman where there is no alternate ring and pinion available, a gear set for all forward gears not on the main shaft may be substituted if the resulting gear ratios for the substituted gears are equivalent to a ring and pinion change.

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Old 05-20-2012, 05:47 PM
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I would look at the car counts and set it up for the class with the highest car count. More fun with more cars in your class. Based on what you said, it sounds like the car can be configured for several different classes.
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Depends on what you want out of racing. In PCA you are basically lumped into 2 groups on the track, the higher powered cars are in one group and the second are theoretically lower powered. You will be in the first group. When you are on the track you will find someone you are competitive with, they may or may not be in your class. Go race them and have fun. Don't worry about class. Just be safe and enjoy. At most events there are no prizes, just having good fun. The GT classes can get extremely expensive if you plan on being competitive in your class, but then again that can be said about any of them.

Cheers, just my $.02
Old 05-20-2012, 07:21 PM
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Gentleman thank you for all your input and hope to see you all out there soon. Tomorrow the car is being inspected and if all goes well ill be at homestead on Saturday. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks again.
Old 05-20-2012, 08:55 PM
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Newbie question. How is the weight of the car calculated? Car + full tank + driver?
Old 05-20-2012, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Al HURT123
Newbie question. How is the weight of the car calculated? Car + full tank + driver?
Typically "as driven" or "off track", i.e. as it would weigh with driver and his gear and enough fuel to end the race with a stop at the scales - as a minimum.
Old 05-21-2012, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Al HURT123
I'm close to purchasing a 2004 gt3 that has been converted to a race car. My plan is to DE it for a while and then club race it with PCA. It weighs 2700 and is not stock. I'd rather not be lumped in with Cups....which class would it likely run with. Thanks.
if not stock, u are in GTA with R, RS, RSR. you could be pat long, you will still be crushed.

i didn't make the rules, just sayin...

i had one of those highly modded 996gt3, basically a cup car without air jacks.... it's tough in GTA. but it's still hell fun.
Old 05-21-2012, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mooty
if not stock, u are in GTA with R, RS, RSR. you could be pat long, you will still be crushed.

i didn't make the rules, just sayin...

i had one of those highly modded 996gt3, basically a cup car without air jacks.... it's tough in GTA. but it's still hell fun.
John you're correct that when you raced yours you were stuck in GTA1. Starting this year they finally saw the light and allowed the street GT3's into the GT classe structrure tagging them a GT classification index of 165. So converted GT3's can now run GT2 or GT3 if you add enough weight....

The formula is 165 x 3.6=594 x 426 (minimum GT2 weight) = 2530 lbs.
For GT3 it would be 594 x 5.51= 3273 lbs.
Old 05-21-2012, 06:48 PM
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Gentlemen after considering everyones comments, a positive inspection and a thumbs up from Ron Zitza from Zotz Racing who knows the car well and spoke with current owner and shop handler I am happy to say I will be picking up the car tomorrow!

Thanks again for all your suggestions.
Old 05-21-2012, 06:51 PM
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CONGRATS! So will you have it at Homestead next month?
Old 05-21-2012, 06:54 PM
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Holy S@%t! I JUST sent you a PM on that same point less than 30 seconds ago! Too funny. Yes, I'll be there instructing. Hopefully you can also give me a few pointers
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We want to see pictures!
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We want to see pictures!
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