Nitto NT01 - Camber and PSI Question
#31
Pro
Yes, I am - and I also have another 3k street miles on the current set (with about 14 track days and a few more still left in them). They're not quiet. Or comfortable. But it works.
#32
Burning Brakes
+1 They're definitely not quiet or comfortable after just one track event. But they will suffice for getting to/from the track. Obviously, they're not as good as street tires in the rain. They get worse as the shallow grooves in the tread get worn off and they become more like slicks. Bottom line: in heavy rain you mayhave to either slow way down or pull over.
#33
Rennlist Member
Great info - thanks!
#34
Rennlist Member
#35
+1 They're definitely not quiet or comfortable after just one track event. But they will suffice for getting to/from the track. Obviously, they're not as good as street tires in the rain. They get worse as the shallow grooves in the tread get worn off and they become more like slicks. Bottom line: in heavy rain you mayhave to either slow way down or pull over.
#36
Rennlist Member
Agreed. Not a rain tire.
I've recently switched to the NT-01 after two sets of BFG R1s. The Nitto seems more progressive, definitely louder both in tread resonance and squealing noises when pushed. I'm not sure they're going to last very long. Most of the tread pattern is gone after 3 track days. But they do grip nearly as well, losing only 1-2 seconds per lap. I had them heat cycled at purchase and hope they stay soft for more use than the R1s.
Rich
I've recently switched to the NT-01 after two sets of BFG R1s. The Nitto seems more progressive, definitely louder both in tread resonance and squealing noises when pushed. I'm not sure they're going to last very long. Most of the tread pattern is gone after 3 track days. But they do grip nearly as well, losing only 1-2 seconds per lap. I had them heat cycled at purchase and hope they stay soft for more use than the R1s.
Rich
#37
I have just started running NT-01's and have found they do not like as much negative camber or pressure as Hoosier R-comps or Dunlop Starspec's. I have been running -3 degrees front and -2.5 degrees rear with the Hoosiers and Dunlops, which worked very well, but the NT-01's show significant wear on the inside, and inside tire temps are running up to 15 F higher than outside.
Apparently NT-01's have much stiffer side walls than others. I am thinking that I need to reduce camber settings or just scrap running NT-01's. If you are camber limited and don't have GT-3 arms or camber plates, NT-01's are probably your best friend.
Apparently NT-01's have much stiffer side walls than others. I am thinking that I need to reduce camber settings or just scrap running NT-01's. If you are camber limited and don't have GT-3 arms or camber plates, NT-01's are probably your best friend.
#38
Race Car
It's probably worth noting that the NT01s (and the RA1s) you buy today are probably not the same tire you were buying with the same name two or so years ago. This is conjecture on my part, but I suspect that once the R888 came out, and the decision was made to phase out (and then, because of complaints) revive the RA1, Toyo/Nitto started building the RA1s and NT01s on the R888 carcass. The NT01s I've had more recently do not have the same characteristics as the ones I had a couple of years ago, and I've heard the same thing about the more-recent RA1s. The old 'gets faster until the cords show' rule of thumb for both tires does not apply any longer. These newer tires have a shorter lifespan and a shorter period where they're really sticky.
Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
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It's probably worth noting that the NT01s (and the RA1s) you buy today are probably not the same tire you were buying with the same name two or so years ago. This is conjecture on my part, but I suspect that once the R888 came out, and the decision was made to phase out (and then, because of complaints) revive the RA1, Toyo/Nitto started building the RA1s and NT01s on the R888 carcass. The NT01s I've had more recently do not have the same characteristics as the ones I had a couple of years ago, and I've heard the same thing about the more-recent RA1s. The old 'gets faster until the cords show' rule of thumb for both tires does not apply any longer. These newer tires have a shorter lifespan and a shorter period where they're really sticky.
Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
Has anyone else noticed the same thing?
#43
#44
Burning Brakes
Just another data point...
At ~3000 lbs with driver, and -2.6 camber, I've been adjusting the hot pressures to about 38F/39R, using the crude method of getting the tires to rollover/wear to the little triangle mark. Probably not an best way to measure ideal pressures, but I don't have a pyrometer to do it right.
Interestingly, last Saturday, my car's near identical twin (with less camber) was running nearly identical lap times, but with hot tire pressures at about 29F/30R. About 9 lbs less than the pressure that I was running.
I find it amazing that the tires were performing at such different pressures.
At ~3000 lbs with driver, and -2.6 camber, I've been adjusting the hot pressures to about 38F/39R, using the crude method of getting the tires to rollover/wear to the little triangle mark. Probably not an best way to measure ideal pressures, but I don't have a pyrometer to do it right.
Interestingly, last Saturday, my car's near identical twin (with less camber) was running nearly identical lap times, but with hot tire pressures at about 29F/30R. About 9 lbs less than the pressure that I was running.
I find it amazing that the tires were performing at such different pressures.
#45
I picked up some CCW 18s with NT01s and I'll be running them at Thunderhill in a few weeks so I'm looking forward to the experience of tracking with my first set of R-compound tires. I will be driving on them for a few hundred miles and since my car has a loud exhaust I doubt I'll even hear the tires and no rain in the forecast.