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11-19-2009, 08:53 AM
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It will be "Desperate housewives" at Ferrari at some point for sure but because Alonso is getting No. 1 treatment, he will be faster than Massa which will keep things more calm.
11-19-2009, 10:09 AM
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Ferrari brought in Alonso, the same way they brought in Kimi. Based on that alone, we know Massa will not be a clear #2. If that was the case, Massa would not be outperforming Kimi and Kimi would not have been shown the door.
It's quite clear, the faster driver at Ferrari gets #1. Those days of Schumi being a clear #1 are long gone. People need to stop making excuses because they know Alonso will outpeform Massa.
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It's quite clear, the faster driver at Ferrari gets #1. Those days of Schumi being a clear #1 are long gone. People need to stop making excuses because they know Alonso will outpeform Massa.
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11-19-2009, 11:49 AM
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Here is how I see 2010 working out for Ferrari:
Initially, Alonso will be faster. You can't discount the fact that Massa had a head injury and missed an entire 2nd half of the F1 season and cannot test until February. There is no way around it. He can get into the F2007 Clienti car all he wants, but it is NOT the F60 with no traction control, smaller rear wing, slicks, etc.
The other factor is that Massa may NEVER return to his previous form. The fact that these guys are pulling 5 Gs laterally and negatively has to have an effect on their brains and eyes. Let's not forget he was in a drug induced coma just 3 months ago.
Should Massa eventually return to form and Alonso has a WDC point lead and Massa somehow does not relinquish position, I can see a blow up of massive proportions. Remember there is history with Massa and Alonso blowing up at each other a couple years ago in an after race, post weight scale episode.
IF Massa cannot come back, it's Alonso's team. If Massa returns to form, Felipe has the heart of support of the garage, but in the end Alonso is more crafty and experienced.
Initially, Alonso will be faster. You can't discount the fact that Massa had a head injury and missed an entire 2nd half of the F1 season and cannot test until February. There is no way around it. He can get into the F2007 Clienti car all he wants, but it is NOT the F60 with no traction control, smaller rear wing, slicks, etc.
The other factor is that Massa may NEVER return to his previous form. The fact that these guys are pulling 5 Gs laterally and negatively has to have an effect on their brains and eyes. Let's not forget he was in a drug induced coma just 3 months ago.
Should Massa eventually return to form and Alonso has a WDC point lead and Massa somehow does not relinquish position, I can see a blow up of massive proportions. Remember there is history with Massa and Alonso blowing up at each other a couple years ago in an after race, post weight scale episode.
IF Massa cannot come back, it's Alonso's team. If Massa returns to form, Felipe has the heart of support of the garage, but in the end Alonso is more crafty and experienced.
11-19-2009, 12:24 PM
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I think that incident was Alonso's fault. Alonso can't expect Massa to just move out of the way. These guys are really fired up after the race and Alonso's adrenaline got the best of him. Massa was the class act when he offered his congratulations to Alonso, on winning the race.
We have to remember Alonso was under some serious pressure. It was him against all of McLaren and Luis had just parked his car and given 10 points back to Alonso, someone who was not expected to win. I think people try to make more of that incident.
How about the fact that Alonso openly stated last year that he would try to help and support Massa's push for WDC. He backed Massa for the WDC. It's water under the bridge for both of them at this point. This just became ripe again when Massa stated to reporters that he felt Alonso knew of crashgate. Of all we know, the reporters might have twisted things around just to make a story. Neither one of these guy's have english as their 1st language, so a lot is lost in translation.
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We have to remember Alonso was under some serious pressure. It was him against all of McLaren and Luis had just parked his car and given 10 points back to Alonso, someone who was not expected to win. I think people try to make more of that incident.
How about the fact that Alonso openly stated last year that he would try to help and support Massa's push for WDC. He backed Massa for the WDC. It's water under the bridge for both of them at this point. This just became ripe again when Massa stated to reporters that he felt Alonso knew of crashgate. Of all we know, the reporters might have twisted things around just to make a story. Neither one of these guy's have english as their 1st language, so a lot is lost in translation.
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11-19-2009, 02:22 PM
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Little Miss Sunshine is the #1, she is the new girlfriend of Luca, no one is going to challenge Luca.
Little Miss Sunshine is the #1, she is the new girlfriend of Luca, no one is going to challenge Luca.
11-19-2009, 02:39 PM
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Now you know how I feel when Luca broke up with Schumacher for a blue eyed blond driver. Schumacher still had some left in the tank, but....
11-19-2009, 03:05 PM
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Until we see if Massa's recovered from the accident...it's shear speculation.
Both drivers are talented with a slight edge going to Alonso...
but the people inside the Ferrari team will likely favor Massa if he fully recovers.
If Mansa returns to form...
Look for a lot of drama within Ferrari next year.
11-19-2009, 03:49 PM
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Luca is too emotional at times for his own good...
11-19-2009, 04:25 PM
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Ferrari brought in Alonso, the same way they brought in Kimi. Based on that alone, we know Massa will not be a clear #2. If that was the case, Massa would not be outperforming Kimi and Kimi would not have been shown the door.
It's quite clear, the faster driver at Ferrari gets #1. Those days of Schumi being a clear #1 are long gone. People need to stop making excuses because they know Alonso will outpeform Massa.
Regards.
Raj
It's quite clear, the faster driver at Ferrari gets #1. Those days of Schumi being a clear #1 are long gone. People need to stop making excuses because they know Alonso will outpeform Massa.
Regards.
Raj
Massa is not in the same league as Alonso and never will .
A pity regarding his head injury , as i don't believe Massa will be the same driver again , he would have been a perfect no2.....
I think that incident was Alonso's fault. Alonso can't expect Massa to just move out of the way. These guys are really fired up after the race and Alonso's adrenaline got the best of him. Massa was the class act when he offered his congratulations to Alonso, on winning the race.
We have to remember Alonso was under some serious pressure. It was him against all of McLaren and Luis had just parked his car and given 10 points back to Alonso, someone who was not expected to win. I think people try to make more of that incident.
How about the fact that Alonso openly stated last year that he would try to help and support Massa's push for WDC. He backed Massa for the WDC. It's water under the bridge for both of them at this point. This just became ripe again when Massa stated to reporters that he felt Alonso knew of crashgate. Of all we know, the reporters might have twisted things around just to make a story. Neither one of these guy's have english as their 1st language, so a lot is lost in translation.
Raj
We have to remember Alonso was under some serious pressure. It was him against all of McLaren and Luis had just parked his car and given 10 points back to Alonso, someone who was not expected to win. I think people try to make more of that incident.
How about the fact that Alonso openly stated last year that he would try to help and support Massa's push for WDC. He backed Massa for the WDC. It's water under the bridge for both of them at this point. This just became ripe again when Massa stated to reporters that he felt Alonso knew of crashgate. Of all we know, the reporters might have twisted things around just to make a story. Neither one of these guy's have english as their 1st language, so a lot is lost in translation.
Raj
The real race is to see who complains more next season , Massa, Alonso Hamilton or Button ...
My bet :
1. Massa
2. Button
3. Hamilton
4. Alonso
Least to bitch about under achiving ...................... Vettel
Originally Posted by Head Amigo & sato Lover
He had one more year, after ferrari got the FIA to penalize Renault and Schumachers Idiotic attempt to steal qualification in monaco , He still stood a chance , if only he did not get massa's engine in Suzuka, were they were using NGK # 8, instead of NGK #9 and Kaboomy out went his record of no DNF's for 3 yrs due to engine failure ,making Alonso the only WDC hevar to win because his competitor lost an engine .
Luca was good in ridding the sport of such a clown ...
Luca was good in ridding the sport of such a clown ...
i knew you would see the light ..............................
11-19-2009, 04:36 PM
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Oh, the irony...
Even the even keeled Ron Dennis could not hide his displeasure when ALonso blocked Hammy in the pits in Hungary throwing his headset down and questioning Alonso's trainer on the pit wall for the global audience to see. (Yes, I know Hammy was supposed to let Alonso go by). Just wait 'til he gets to Ferrari where emotions run high.
Luca has shown he is willing to let go of a legend in Schumacher and eat a $29m contract with Kimi. If Alonso so much as coughs incorrectly and questions any operation of Ferrari, Alonso will be back parking cars at the hotel or on sabbatical ASAP.
Even the even keeled Ron Dennis could not hide his displeasure when ALonso blocked Hammy in the pits in Hungary throwing his headset down and questioning Alonso's trainer on the pit wall for the global audience to see. (Yes, I know Hammy was supposed to let Alonso go by). Just wait 'til he gets to Ferrari where emotions run high.
Luca has shown he is willing to let go of a legend in Schumacher and eat a $29m contract with Kimi. If Alonso so much as coughs incorrectly and questions any operation of Ferrari, Alonso will be back parking cars at the hotel or on sabbatical ASAP.
