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Old 09-14-2009, 03:17 PM
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You need to share your talents with a much larger group of people, dude. You're doing just fine!

Russell, i had fun riding with you in your cool new car!






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Old 09-14-2009, 04:55 PM
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Russell, i had fun riding with you in your cool new car!






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Same here (as always!). In retrospect, the rain accelerated my transition from AWD to RWD - way more than a dry track and R6's would have. Major strides on the confidence meter; thanks for your encouragement!

And thanks also for the help on the 4-5-6 line in the rain. It worked so well that I almost forgot to give it up when the track finally dried on Sunday.
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Same here (as always!). In retrospect, the rain accelerated my transition from AWD to RWD - way more than a dry track and R6's would have. Major strides on the confidence meter; thanks for your encouragement!

And thanks also for the help on the 4-5-6 line in the rain. It worked so well that I almost forgot to give it up when the track finally dried on Sunday.
I am glad thhat worked for you. I get a lot of strange looks from a lot of people when I teach that line, but it works like nobody's business. Pays to think outside the box. I taught it in the White classroom as well, some folks tried it & had the same reaction as you!






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Originally Posted by ervtx
+1 Driving in the rain on the track rocks.

But towing the car home in the rain sucked. There was one patch of weather that slowed I-45 down to about 35 mph for almost an hour. I also learned that hydroplaning 8 wheels is more than twice as exciting as 4.
LMFAO!!

I guess you had to unload in the dark / rain as well?

I am sure it was all worth it.

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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
I am glad thhat worked for you. I get a lot of strange looks from a lot of people when I teach that line, but it works like nobody's business. Pays to think outside the box. I taught it in the White classroom as well, some folks tried it & had the same reaction as you!






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I missed white classroom due to grid duties. Can you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by jperquin
I missed white classroom due to grid duties. Can you elaborate?

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Wet line thru 4 = stay on the outside of the track all the way around. Then stay there on the inside (driver's left) all the way thru 5 and into 6. You'll have to slow a bunch for 6 & begin rotating the car before the apex, so you're nearly straight at apex (where it is slipperiest), but then you're good to go for the whole 6-7 straight!






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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Wet line thru 4 = stay on the outside of the track all the way around. Then stay there on the inside (driver's left) all the way thru 5 and into 6. You'll have to slow a bunch for 6 & begin rotating the car before the apex, so you're nearly straight at apex (where it is slipperiest), but then you're good to go for the whole 6-7 straight!

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Interesting, per my instructor suggestion, I ran the T4 wet line as you suggest and it indeed does work great, but I (we or maybe he chose not to ) did not think of going inside on 5-6. I'll give it a try next opp. Thanks for the tip!
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Sounds like a weather replay of the 'Two Step' race weekend.

Glad y'all finally got much needed rain.

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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Wet line thru 4 = stay on the outside of the track all the way around. Then stay there on the inside (driver's left) all the way thru 5 and into 6. You'll have to slow a bunch for 6 & begin rotating the car before the apex, so you're nearly straight at apex (where it is slipperiest), but then you're good to go for the whole 6-7 straight!
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Interesting.. First Sat am session this is exactly what I tried (based on OJ's suggestion, who stated that the track is much more "grainy", ie. grippy on the left) and it felt very reassuring (ie. faster?).
When I had Hugh in my right seat he advised against following the curb all the way into 5 and 6 and move over to the right between 4 and 5.
Conditions were similar but not the same between sessions so it is hard to say what really worked best. I guess I'll go by what felt best and follow your wet line Dave. (that didn't sound right)

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Interesting.. First Sat am session this is exactly what I tried (based on OJ's suggestion, who stated that the track is much more "grainy", ie. grippy on the left) and it felt very reassuring (ie. faster?).
When I had Hugh in my right seat he advised against following the curb all the way into 5 and 6 and move over to the right between 4 and 5.
Conditions were similar but not the same between sessions so it is hard to say what really worked best. I guess I'll go by what felt best and follow your wet line Dave. (that didn't sound right)

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IMO both are valid lines. My point in class was to encourage folks to think outside the box and look for a variety of places to place the car in the wet: there, in 7, in 8/9, coming into 1, etc. Just like I encourage this in the dry.

Someone this past weekend summed it up wonderfully for me: wet or dry, in Green thru Yellow, it's all about The Line. In White (and even more so in Red) there is no line.






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It _was_ a great weekend. As always, the wet shows who is smooth (and fast), and who is not.

I couldn't think of a better weekend for students. Wet on Saturday, dry on Sunday. I dare say that the average Green or Blue student was faster on Sunday afternoon this last weekend than they would have been if Saturday would have been dry.
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Someone this past weekend summed it up wonderfully for me: wet or dry, in Green thru Yellow, it's all about The Line. In White (and even more so in Red) there is no line.






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I'll have to remember that line

Originally Posted by weneversleep
As always, the wet shows who is smooth (and fast), and who is not.
Paraphrasing VR's line above...
I can be smooth and slow - wet or dry.

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LMFAO!!

I guess you had to unload in the dark / rain as well?

I am sure it was all worth it.

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Fortunately I made it back before sundown, during a break in the rain.

Yes, it was worth every drop.
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Originally Posted by weneversleep
It _was_ a great weekend. As always, the wet shows who is smooth (and fast), and who is not.

I couldn't think of a better weekend for students. Wet on Saturday, dry on Sunday. I dare say that the average Green or Blue student was faster on Sunday afternoon this last weekend than they would have been if Saturday would have been dry.


Well said.






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Thanks guys. Just keep rubbing it in that I had to miss this one.
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Originally Posted by TR6
Thanks guys. Just keep rubbing it in that I'm a dumbass for missing that one.
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