Spec 944?
08-26-2008, 12:13 AM
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Spec 944?
Hey there. I usually lurk over in the 944 technical discussion, but I had a question about racing. I've been trying for a few months to turn my much loved 944 into a Spec 944 racer. Unfortunately things haven't gone well and I've been spending all my money on just trying to keep it running. Grassroots Motorsports had a good bit of advice for people like me, 'Buy one that's already built'. That is starting to sound very appealing. Is this the way to go? Granted Spec 944's seem hard to find right now, but with a little looking I know I could get a good one. Thanks in advance!
Drew
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08-26-2008, 01:03 AM
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I'm thinking that 944 Cup is better than spec, there are more clubs that support it. There are two divisions; 944Cup for normal 944's, and 944SuperCup for 944 Turbos and S2's and 968's. It's all equalized by power:weight, and the grids are huge.
I'm just coming on board, there are others that know it all.
www.944cup.com
I'm just coming on board, there are others that know it all.
www.944cup.com
08-26-2008, 03:01 AM
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Here's one option up for sale now, though it's a haul for you.
http://944spec.org/944SPEC/component...2107/catid,21/
Come by & visit the 944 Spec boards (the ad above is in the classifieds of that board).
It's virtually always cheaper to buy a racecar with a known history. If you want to do it yourself, make sure the donor is well maintained mechanically. Getting a nicer car, and the selling off the interior, etc. can help defray the cost.
As far as Spec vs. Cup, neither class has much presence near Texas yet, though Karl Zimmerman @ Applied Racing Technology in Texas has started building a Spec car with the intent of doing turn-key 944 Spec Cars. His website is here: http://appliedracingtechnology.com/ 944 Spec can race anywhere 944 Cup can, including in 944 Cup, and Spec fields are getting large in the West & Midwest, where Cup is big out East.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you
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http://944spec.org/944SPEC/component...2107/catid,21/
Come by & visit the 944 Spec boards (the ad above is in the classifieds of that board).
It's virtually always cheaper to buy a racecar with a known history. If you want to do it yourself, make sure the donor is well maintained mechanically. Getting a nicer car, and the selling off the interior, etc. can help defray the cost.
As far as Spec vs. Cup, neither class has much presence near Texas yet, though Karl Zimmerman @ Applied Racing Technology in Texas has started building a Spec car with the intent of doing turn-key 944 Spec Cars. His website is here: http://appliedracingtechnology.com/ 944 Spec can race anywhere 944 Cup can, including in 944 Cup, and Spec fields are getting large in the West & Midwest, where Cup is big out East.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you
.
08-26-2008, 10:01 AM
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There's a turnkey 944Cup car for sale at 44cup.com. There are usually two or three at any given time.
My long-ish term goal is to be racing, and 944Cup is strong in my area (Mid-Atlantic). I would never tackle converting a street car to racer use, but I will build up my 944 as a training platform (driver training and mechanic training); and when the time comes, I'll sell the street car and buy a race car. I just have to hope that the 944Cup stays strong for a few more years. It shows no signs of weakness so far; and the Spec E30 class seems to get combined with the 944s, filling out the fields.
Whether you build or buy depends on a three part formula with money, time and skill being the three parts. The more skill and time you have, the less money you need.
My long-ish term goal is to be racing, and 944Cup is strong in my area (Mid-Atlantic). I would never tackle converting a street car to racer use, but I will build up my 944 as a training platform (driver training and mechanic training); and when the time comes, I'll sell the street car and buy a race car. I just have to hope that the 944Cup stays strong for a few more years. It shows no signs of weakness so far; and the Spec E30 class seems to get combined with the 944s, filling out the fields.
Whether you build or buy depends on a three part formula with money, time and skill being the three parts. The more skill and time you have, the less money you need.
08-26-2008, 10:27 AM
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Here's one - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=426890
and another - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=426630
and another - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=426630
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08-26-2008, 10:28 AM
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As far as Spec vs. Cup, neither class has much presence near Texas yet, though Karl Zimmerman @ Applied Racing Technology in Texas has started building a Spec car with the intent of doing turn-key 944 Spec Cars. His website is here: http://appliedracingtechnology.com/ 944 Spec can race anywhere 944 Cup can, including in 944 Cup, and Spec fields are getting large in the West & Midwest, where Cup is big out East.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you
.The only problem with 944 Cup is that it doesn't look like it's made it anywhere near me yet. While someday I'll probably be back in the Midwest, for now I'm here. Spec 944 just seems like a very budget friendly and easy series to get started in. If a Spec car can run in Cup, is the reverse true as well? Because that could open a lot of options for buying. Thanks for all the help!
08-26-2008, 10:36 AM
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Cup is very popular on the coasts as both organizations are very well run. 944 Spec is popular in the Midwest, Colorado and on the Coasts.
There's a lot of talk about which is cheaper to build a 944 Cup or 944 Spec car - 944 Spec does not allow as much modifications (keeps the car closer to factory spec); thus is usually cheaper - but you can build a Cup car almost as cheaply - it all depends on how much money you want to spend.
If you can do most of the labor yourself you can build a car almost as cheaply as buying one - but in interests of time buying on is always going to be a much cheaper route and you can find them out there. Just the U Weld or Bolt In Auto Power cage costs $800 - plus $1k+ for a Spec suspension upgrade (I recommend you run a good suspension and not tired or worn out OEM on the donor car) to make the car consistent and easy to drive (not fighting it). Again Spec series suspension (Bilstein HD or Koni Sports only, can only upgrade to delrin bushings, etc.) is more limited as to what you can do versus in Cup (can install remote reservoir shocks, racer's edge control arms, spherical bearings, rear coilover setup, etc.)
There is another 944 series called Spec 944 and it only races in AZ region. I believe there are some fellows here who race it b/c it's popular there. There's some history between it and NASA's 944 Spec series though but I won't get into it b/c I likely don't have the full story.
There's a lot of talk about which is cheaper to build a 944 Cup or 944 Spec car - 944 Spec does not allow as much modifications (keeps the car closer to factory spec); thus is usually cheaper - but you can build a Cup car almost as cheaply - it all depends on how much money you want to spend.
If you can do most of the labor yourself you can build a car almost as cheaply as buying one - but in interests of time buying on is always going to be a much cheaper route and you can find them out there. Just the U Weld or Bolt In Auto Power cage costs $800 - plus $1k+ for a Spec suspension upgrade (I recommend you run a good suspension and not tired or worn out OEM on the donor car) to make the car consistent and easy to drive (not fighting it). Again Spec series suspension (Bilstein HD or Koni Sports only, can only upgrade to delrin bushings, etc.) is more limited as to what you can do versus in Cup (can install remote reservoir shocks, racer's edge control arms, spherical bearings, rear coilover setup, etc.)
There is another 944 series called Spec 944 and it only races in AZ region. I believe there are some fellows here who race it b/c it's popular there. There's some history between it and NASA's 944 Spec series though but I won't get into it b/c I likely don't have the full story.
08-26-2008, 10:36 AM
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I know of a couple for sale in Phoenix area. I don't know the prices right now, but I figure somewhere between 7k to 12k.
Here is one
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#20 Spec 944 car is for sale. New motor with zero hours, complete coil over suspension kit, autopower cage, Brembo rotors with Hawk pads, stainless brake lines, on board fire system, Shift light, 12 wheels, new net and belts, Sparco seat, too many new items to list. . All prepartation professionally done. Beautiful car inside and out. Well prepared and turn key ready to race. Please feel free to call with any questions. $8400 obo.
928-284-9425 (Bob Zimmerman)
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I will look to see if there are any more. I believe their is at least 1 more.
Here is one
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#20 Spec 944 car is for sale. New motor with zero hours, complete coil over suspension kit, autopower cage, Brembo rotors with Hawk pads, stainless brake lines, on board fire system, Shift light, 12 wheels, new net and belts, Sparco seat, too many new items to list. . All prepartation professionally done. Beautiful car inside and out. Well prepared and turn key ready to race. Please feel free to call with any questions. $8400 obo.
928-284-9425 (Bob Zimmerman)
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I will look to see if there are any more. I believe their is at least 1 more.
08-26-2008, 01:24 PM
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I'm thinking that 944 Cup is better than spec, there are more clubs that support it. There are two divisions; 944Cup for normal 944's, and 944SuperCup for 944 Turbos and S2's and 968's. It's all equalized by power:weight, and the grids are huge.
I'm just coming on board, there are others that know it all.
www.944cup.com
I'm just coming on board, there are others that know it all.
www.944cup.com
08-26-2008, 02:33 PM
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There is another 944 series called Spec 944 and it only races in AZ region. I believe there are some fellows here who race it b/c it's popular there. There's some history between it and NASA's 944 Spec series though but I won't get into it b/c I likely don't have the full story.
08-26-2008, 04:56 PM
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Here's one option up for sale now, though it's a haul for you.
http://944spec.org/944SPEC/component...2107/catid,21/
Come by & visit the 944 Spec boards (the ad above is in the classifieds of that board).
It's virtually always cheaper to buy a racecar with a known history. If you want to do it yourself, make sure the donor is well maintained mechanically. Getting a nicer car, and the selling off the interior, etc. can help defray the cost.
As far as Spec vs. Cup, neither class has much presence near Texas yet, though Karl Zimmerman @ Applied Racing Technology in Texas has started building a Spec car with the intent of doing turn-key 944 Spec Cars. His website is here: http://appliedracingtechnology.com/ 944 Spec can race anywhere 944 Cup can, including in 944 Cup, and Spec fields are getting large in the West & Midwest, where Cup is big out East.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you.
http://944spec.org/944SPEC/component...2107/catid,21/
Come by & visit the 944 Spec boards (the ad above is in the classifieds of that board).
It's virtually always cheaper to buy a racecar with a known history. If you want to do it yourself, make sure the donor is well maintained mechanically. Getting a nicer car, and the selling off the interior, etc. can help defray the cost.
As far as Spec vs. Cup, neither class has much presence near Texas yet, though Karl Zimmerman @ Applied Racing Technology in Texas has started building a Spec car with the intent of doing turn-key 944 Spec Cars. His website is here: http://appliedracingtechnology.com/ 944 Spec can race anywhere 944 Cup can, including in 944 Cup, and Spec fields are getting large in the West & Midwest, where Cup is big out East.
I'll keep an eye out for a car for you
.Viking
08-26-2008, 08:13 PM
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There's a turnkey 944Cup car for sale at 44cup.com. There are usually two or three at any given time.
My long-ish term goal is to be racing, and 944Cup is strong in my area (Mid-Atlantic). I would never tackle converting a street car to racer use, but I will build up my 944 as a training platform (driver training and mechanic training); and when the time comes, I'll sell the street car and buy a race car. I just have to hope that the 944Cup stays strong for a few more years. It shows no signs of weakness so far; and the Spec E30 class seems to get combined with the 944s, filling out the fields.
Whether you build or buy depends on a three part formula with money, time and skill being the three parts. The more skill and time you have, the less money you need.
My long-ish term goal is to be racing, and 944Cup is strong in my area (Mid-Atlantic). I would never tackle converting a street car to racer use, but I will build up my 944 as a training platform (driver training and mechanic training); and when the time comes, I'll sell the street car and buy a race car. I just have to hope that the 944Cup stays strong for a few more years. It shows no signs of weakness so far; and the Spec E30 class seems to get combined with the 944s, filling out the fields.
Whether you build or buy depends on a three part formula with money, time and skill being the three parts. The more skill and time you have, the less money you need.
Are you going to the Potomac event @ VIR in Sept?
We can run together if you want to see what a 944 SuperCup car is capable of ( Assuming a decent driver HA!).
My car is built to SuperCup specs but just needs a second door bar and net.
I'm instructing in Black if you want to go for a ride (and its allowed...) look me up (#81) Who knows I may be ready to sell mine when you want to buy one