2007 GP Brasil de Fórmula 1
10-13-2007, 02:31 PM
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Wayne, when MS announced his retirement after winning the Italian GP. I read the body language of all in the pits after the win and it was clear that Ferrari was divided into two camps with Montezelomo on one side and virtually everyone else on the other. I posted this on the day it happened as it was clear a power struggle, so Italian, so Ferrariesque, was taking place.
Although I am an ardent supporter of MS, I understand were Montzelomo is coming from. It's better to change your top driver a little too early, than too late. MS had been on the fence along time about whether he was going to retire or not and eventually, the decision was made for him by Montezelomo. From Luca's stand point, if MS retires, his team leader is Massa. Not very confidence inspiring. Kimi's contract with McLaren was up at the end of the year. He acted on it for the long term benefit of the team. A year ago, I wrote that a 7 time WC (and remember at the time he could have won his 8th) should be able to retire on his own terms. That is not what happened.
So to answer your question, yes, I always felt in my heart that MS was pushed out for Kimi. Is it Kimi's fault, no. Kimi is Montezelomo's choice where Todt's new boy is Massa (no surprise there since his son manages him). I don't like nepotism in large organizations like that as favortism overrules flat out results. But it is what it is. We move on.
Although I am an ardent supporter of MS, I understand were Montzelomo is coming from. It's better to change your top driver a little too early, than too late. MS had been on the fence along time about whether he was going to retire or not and eventually, the decision was made for him by Montezelomo. From Luca's stand point, if MS retires, his team leader is Massa. Not very confidence inspiring. Kimi's contract with McLaren was up at the end of the year. He acted on it for the long term benefit of the team. A year ago, I wrote that a 7 time WC (and remember at the time he could have won his 8th) should be able to retire on his own terms. That is not what happened.
So to answer your question, yes, I always felt in my heart that MS was pushed out for Kimi. Is it Kimi's fault, no. Kimi is Montezelomo's choice where Todt's new boy is Massa (no surprise there since his son manages him). I don't like nepotism in large organizations like that as favortism overrules flat out results. But it is what it is. We move on.
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Did you and A. Wayne almost agree on something???
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10-13-2007, 05:40 PM
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It's almost the end of the season. One more race left. After that we'll hold hands and make up. Until 2008 when I'll have Kimi to take the WC and he'll have "What's her name" when she goes to Renault.
10-13-2007, 11:18 PM
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10-14-2007, 12:38 AM
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Go KIMI! So you can say "iwontheraceanditwasveryfortunatethatthemclarenshadproblems-wher'sthepartytonight"- finally!!! Next year without TC it should be interesting - no wonder FA is thinking of going back to Renault.
10-14-2007, 01:48 AM
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You are putting too much into the TC thing. It was banned before and nothing earthstriking happened. The drivers have all winter to get used to it in testing aka no big deal to them.
Maybe Wayneworld can help me read that article because he keeps saying that MS was fired. It looks to me that he just quit because he did not get it his way, apparently he did not want to be paired with that multi WDC worldwonder KR who barely got by Massa (the reincarnation of Senna) this season.
However, it is still just a piece of journalistic writing. Only MS, Monte Z, Todt , Brawn and Weber know the exact facts and none of them is talking.
Maybe Wayneworld can help me read that article because he keeps saying that MS was fired. It looks to me that he just quit because he did not get it his way, apparently he did not want to be paired with that multi WDC worldwonder KR who barely got by Massa (the reincarnation of Senna) this season.
However, it is still just a piece of journalistic writing. Only MS, Monte Z, Todt , Brawn and Weber know the exact facts and none of them is talking.
10-14-2007, 08:23 AM
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Interesting read Wayne, as I've said, Schumi couldn't face racing with Kimi (that article confirms he wasn't "forced out" from Ferrari, he was "forced" to race alongside Kimi which he apparently was too afraid to do), nor does Alonso. And as we know, Kimi would've been ok with either of them. Heh, bunch of pussies.
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
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10-14-2007, 01:33 PM
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Interesting read Wayne, as I've said, Schumi couldn't face racing with Kimi (that article confirms he wasn't "forced out" from Ferrari, he was "forced" to race alongside Kimi which he apparently was too afraid to do), nor does Alonso. And as we know, Kimi would've been ok with either of them. Heh, bunch of pussies.
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
10-14-2007, 02:35 PM
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Interesting read Wayne, as I've said, Schumi couldn't face racing with Kimi (that article confirms he wasn't "forced out" from Ferrari, he was "forced" to race alongside Kimi which he apparently was too afraid to do), nor does Alonso. And as we know, Kimi would've been ok with either of them. Heh, bunch of pussies.
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
Anyways, that's past and now we move to Interlagos:
Have you been hitting the Vodka lately?? Highly unlikely a 7 time WC, who would undoubtedly have the #1 driver status in his team, be afraid to race with Kimi. As fast as Kimi is, he is not the entire package from a technical and motivational point of view. I believe Monti forced MS out.
10-14-2007, 02:42 PM
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Have you been hitting the Vodka lately?? Highly unlikely a 7 time WC, who would undoubtedly have the #1 driver status in his team, be afraid to race with Kimi. As fast as Kimi is, he is not the entire package from a technical and motivational point of view. I believe Monti forced MS out.
KR had top notch equipment for the majority of his career. Everybody talks about his unlucky failure rate but what about facing some facts not fiction like fastest race laps or qualifying...........even up to this year KR has not set the world on fire and IMO , never will.
So , excluding his technical failures which could have been induced by him (or not) how many fastest laps did he set or how many pole's did he get in comparison to MS ?
For proof, just look at his statistics................
10-14-2007, 05:19 PM
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KR had top notch equipment for the majority of his career. Everybody talks about his unlucky failure rate but what about facing some facts not fiction like fastest race laps or qualifying...........even up to this year KR has not set the world on fire and IMO , never will.
10-14-2007, 05:59 PM
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Lewis wins it all and bolts to Toyota or Honda, Massa joins him !
10-14-2007, 08:47 PM
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