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Chassis Rake and it's effect on balance / handling

Old 01-18-2018, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundermoose
I'm gonna throw your comment on the M3 forum and see what other folks think. Maybe with the way we measure rake (top of fender to center of wheel) that 0.5 difference actually provides a positive body rake.
Hahaha! THAT'S what it is!

I'm measuring off jack points (furthest forward and furthest rear under the rocker panel pinch seam) to the ground or suspension pickup points to the ground.

If you measure where I measure, you'll get what I get, I'll bet.

IF the nose were truly up more than the back, that would screw up undercar aero all kinds of nasty ways. Center of pressure needs to be further forward, even on a non-aero car.
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
Hahaha! THAT'S what it is!

I'm measuring off jack points (furthest forward and furthest rear under the rocker panel pinch seam) to the ground or suspension pickup points to the ground.

If you measure where I measure, you'll get what I get, I'll bet.

IF the nose were truly up more than the back, that would screw up undercar aero all kinds of nasty ways. Center of pressure needs to be further forward, even on a non-aero car.
Cool. I know your right. I have drive on 2x6 to be able to access front jack points with my big jack. Thanks.
Old 01-18-2018, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundermoose
Cool. I know your right. I have drive on 2x6 to be able to access front jack points with my big jack. Thanks.
Old 01-19-2018, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ProCoach
Look for the best balance and most go too low. Never seen negative rake (front higher than the back) on a well handling car, only to fix a major problem before you can fix it correctly.
Imsa caymans had this a few years back
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Originally Posted by audipwr1
Imsa caymans had this a few years back
Yep...
Old 01-19-2018, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by audipwr1
Imsa caymans had this a few years back
A more interesting discussion would be "Why?" I'd like to hear more about the theory behind the set-up. I'm sure the unwashed masses will never hear it.
Old 01-19-2018, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fatbillybob
A more interesting discussion would be "Why?" I'd like to hear more about the theory behind the set-up. I'm sure the unwashed masses will never hear it.
Could have been BOP and set by IMSA.
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WTF BOP? I'm DUM
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Originally Posted by fatbillybob
WTF BOP? I'm DUM
Balance Of Power. IMSA "equalizes" different car types to where they have comparable performance on specific tracks. They have a wide range of variables that they set. Minimum ride height is one of them.
Old 01-20-2018, 02:03 PM
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