Lets Play 'What Makes the Ideal Track Car'
03-01-2007, 12:02 AM
#61
Originally Posted by Dan Shea
Why is everyone so hung up on the 911, I know it's the porsche flagship but I also know that for half the money he can have one hell of a setup on a 944. Sure it won't turn as many heads on the road, but this is about turning laps on a track. If it was me, I'd get a 951 do a complete suspension setup the first year, (what like 11k for a phenomenal suspension and car) then the next year use the money you save and put some love into the engine. This way you have a platform that is capable of increasing the hp dramatically as the driver gets better and better. Not to mention if it ever gets waded your only out 6k for the car. Just my .02 but I don't have money to play with...
03-01-2007, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
You got it; he has gotten the message many of us put out here - get a car that needs a really skilled driver to go fast. Also, he wants to save the Cayman from track rash.
Hey, wait - why am I relaying his thoughts?
Hey, wait - why am I relaying his thoughts?
03-01-2007, 12:04 AM
#63
Originally Posted by 38D
Because the 911 has a far superior feel. The 944 series are very "numb". Sorry but it's true. Even the lowly 914 has a better feel than the old wasser pumpers.
03-01-2007, 12:15 AM
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Brendan, I have experience in both cars. The 944 series is "OK" at best. The 911 is a better platform. Period. Go out and see how many GTX cars that are 951 getups that actually make it through a whole race weekend. The 944 series is numb. Period. I can extract more speed out of our 930 if I wasn't so worried about balling it up. 911sarebetterIknowthat. But, I like my 951 because I have it and it is good to throw around when you are split up between seat time sessions. It is far from the ideal however. Not to mention that the 911 is a true dry sump.
The 911 is more challenging to drive and you will learn a lot more. I would have never been able to drovering my 951 "out of the box" as well as I have without having drovering a 911 first. The 911 is like driving 5 or 10 yards ahead of yourself.
The 911 is more challenging to drive and you will learn a lot more. I would have never been able to drovering my 951 "out of the box" as well as I have without having drovering a 911 first. The 911 is like driving 5 or 10 yards ahead of yourself.
03-01-2007, 12:35 AM
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A 911 is not better/superior to a 944 it's just different. There are some waterpumpers out there that are pretty amazing with what they do as well as the rear engined cars.
I'm just waiting for the 928 crowd to start pointing out that a certain 1988 928 has done quite well for itself in the past. A rabid bunch those 928 ones.
I'm just waiting for the 928 crowd to start pointing out that a certain 1988 928 has done quite well for itself in the past. A rabid bunch those 928 ones.
03-01-2007, 12:41 AM
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FWIW, there is a rennlist member with a blue 968 Firehawk who has no trouble dealing with 964 Euro Cups.
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03-01-2007, 12:55 AM
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I wasn't (and still aren't) nearly smart enough to decide so I just bought a factory Cup car.
As long as it has the proper safety equipment first and foremost, pick whatever Porsche appeals to you (front/mid/rear engined).
As long as it has the proper safety equipment first and foremost, pick whatever Porsche appeals to you (front/mid/rear engined).
03-01-2007, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cooleyjb
I'm just waiting for the 928 crowd to start pointing out that a certain 1988 928 has done quite well for itself in the past. A rabid bunch those 928 ones.
Anderson of 928intl fame is a 6.5L monster with acid dipped body, F50 brake package, etc.
Since you brought it up, I chose my platform because it was sitting in my garage: A 1978 sunroof delete 928 that I just stripped to bare metal inside and out. I painted it dark silver and everything thats not needed has been removed. I hope for 2600 pounds, but I hope for alot.
03-01-2007, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ltc
FWIW, there is a rennlist member with a blue 968 Firehawk who has no trouble dealing with 964 Euro Cups.
03-01-2007, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherEric
I used to agree with you, but my gut tells me that a 2000-lb mid-engine car with the same power-to-weight as my 993 should spank me. Although I've been faster than the couple Elises I've been on the track with (I figured it was just the drivers. Who knows.)
03-01-2007, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
Kibort? Its an 86+kinda-really-a-87-with-funky-cams-and-ringer-engine-computers
Anderson of 928intl fame is a 6.5L monster with acid dipped body, F50 brake package, etc.
Since you brought it up, I chose my platform because it was sitting in my garage: A 1978 sunroof delete 928 that I just stripped to bare metal inside and out. I painted it dark silver and everything thats not needed has been removed. I hope for 2600 pounds, but I hope for alot.
Anderson of 928intl fame is a 6.5L monster with acid dipped body, F50 brake package, etc.
Since you brought it up, I chose my platform because it was sitting in my garage: A 1978 sunroof delete 928 that I just stripped to bare metal inside and out. I painted it dark silver and everything thats not needed has been removed. I hope for 2600 pounds, but I hope for alot.
03-01-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
I'd enjoy reading more of an explaination of your comments. If by "numb" you mean directionally planted, then great, but I would like to hear more, and this thread IS about an "Ideal" track car, so...
I'm not saying a 944/961/968/928 cannot be fast. They obviously can (out east, Roy Chong, Spencer ***, and Bret Stern in their highly modifed 951s come to mind). I've just never met anyone that says a 944 series car has a superior feel to a 911.
03-01-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RickBetterley
Hi TD
Good points; I was thinking that keeping a car streetable was helpful in terms of resale, ease of brake pad bedding, taking it to the shop, and refueling at the track. Kind of a beginners dedicated track car. You make good points, though (unlike VR).
Good points; I was thinking that keeping a car streetable was helpful in terms of resale, ease of brake pad bedding, taking it to the shop, and refueling at the track. Kind of a beginners dedicated track car. You make good points, though (unlike VR).
Well one thing you can do is keep it street legal by letter of the law, but make it track only for all intents and purposes. I know of more than a few 944 spec cars that are trailer to all events and no compromises builds, but are still street registered. This is probably not feasible on GT class car in PCA, but possible in a Stock class car in PCA or even and SP1,2,3 car.
My car has not been street registered since I got it in 1999 and I have been fine with that. However it would nice to drive it on street a little bit just for testing purposes. I would still trailer to every event and would not give up an ounce of performance or safety gear to make it street legal. Alas I figure I'd use that insurance money to just pay for another event instead.