fstockcarrera

I would be really PO'd if I had to mod my car away from original to be competitive in a class that was supposed to be all original. GTC1 doesn't suffer the same year over year improvement issue that GTC3 has. That's one reason I like it![/QUOTE]

Don't worry. The US Cups are probably running a straight spring in the ranges of 600/800 or even stiffer. no advantage @ all. They do need to change to the stock exhaust set up.

When they run a 205.0- @ the glen then worry. But that ain't gonna happen! I'm keeping my car as original as possible as I feel I'm the current Stewart of the car. These cars are much faster As GTC 1. -5sec @ the Glen. Al will have all the competition he can get in the NE, No need to go to Sebring. I'm glad to see guys coming to this class instead of the usual move of picking the killer car for a class to avoid true competition. A hollow win. If you can beat Savenor or Burger in GTC 1 then you have done something. Just like running with old F Troop but harder. Heck maybe I should build a 993TT for C or a 996TT for B (1.00.00 @ LRP on AVS sports/ street car) certain could rack up some wins.

All the track records will fall this year in GTC 1.

regards Scotto

Bull

As does mine.

ehall

This cracked me up! It reminds me of my Marine days. "As long as it's leaking you know it will fly. When it stops leaking we're F&$ked!"

DrJupeman

Hard to know if you're right without equal drivers, same car, back to back comparisons, same conditions, etc. I do not like that they are different at all. On a smooth track, like the Glen, I'd expect a straight spring to be an advantage. Further, if they are running north of 800# then they are running stiffer than the max spring rate on a Euro Cup and that could also be an advantage with good slick tires.

carreracup21

I went from the street RS suspension in my US Cup with 200/400 lb springs to 3 way Motons with 700/900 main tender springs, and full ERP monoballs and found only 1-2 seconds at certain tracks. Some of that might also have been just improvement in driving and experience. I think the US Cups could be made to conform easily enough and I have in the past seen Euro Cup shock packages on the used market as recently as a year ago. Biggest differences on the track are always going to be drivers and tires in my book. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but it would be hard for me to imagine the US Cups ever having an advantage on the Euro version with a full pillar / roof welded cage and extra chasis stiffening that would afford. The Euros did pretty well in D class head to head against the US Cups when that was allowed. I would think you would want more drivers in the class anyway. Tom Mcglynn has been driving a US Cup conversion in GTC1 for years. At least he was at Sebring for the two years I raced there.

MJR911

What a joke.

fstockcarrera

???????????? Explain

DrJupeman

I didn't realize Tom was driving a converted US Cup. He was at Daytona this past Fall, as well.

Chris M.

Some of the differences are listed HERE.

K964

What are you saying?????

Bull

Whatever the differences were 17 years ago, they aren't relative today for some cars whose owners converted them to Euro Cup specs when they changed from street cars to track/race cars (possibly the most often converted cars ever?). Mine is one of those with a Euro Cup suspension, etc.

DrJupeman

In the context of racing in GTC1, however, the differences are important if they impact performance. In your case, your car has already been modded to overcome one of the more significant differences. So, see you in GTC1 this year?

Bull

Of course, if they are still in place and impact performance.

Unlikely any racing this year.

38D

Geoffrey

Charlie, I think the differences are to the disadvantage of the US Cup car considering that even the Euro Cup cars are having difficulty reducing weight sufficiently to meet the minimum weight. The standard US wire harness rather than the lighweight simplified Euro Cup harness, the door beams, the air bags, the full size washer bottle, the power windows, central alarm system are only a few of the weight adding components. This is what I meant when I said "vastly" different. It isn't going to be easy to convert a USA Cup to TRUE, EXACT Euro cup specs as required by PCA racing rules and is why I think the cars don't belong in GTC-1, just as a GT3RS street car doesn't belong in GTC-3.