964 Cup
02-17-2007, 09:03 AM
#46
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by carreracup21
This sounds like my old car. No way Brett would sell it for 40k, so that must have been something different.
As for my old car, it is an awesome machine that will make someone very happy. Very well maintained, sorted, reliable and a blast to drive. The car has done 2:26.55 at Sebring, 1:46.55 at CMP, 2:10's at WG and with the new rules in D class, I could have taken 50 lbs. out, so who knows what could be possible now ?. I think Brett just didn't have as much time to race as he thought he would have and has decided to let it go. He still has his original US Cup that is wrecked and in storage. That shunt was in the 05 WG Sprint. Very unfortunate and entirely avoidable if you ask me. We all sat there in the grid coughing while that bug killer was smoking away. One of my crew asked the scrut why he was letting that car on the track, and if he would be taking responsibility for the safety of other drivers. He just shrugged his shoulders. I had just passed that 968 on the previous lap and it just as easily could have been me.
As for my old car, it is an awesome machine that will make someone very happy. Very well maintained, sorted, reliable and a blast to drive. The car has done 2:26.55 at Sebring, 1:46.55 at CMP, 2:10's at WG and with the new rules in D class, I could have taken 50 lbs. out, so who knows what could be possible now ?. I think Brett just didn't have as much time to race as he thought he would have and has decided to let it go. He still has his original US Cup that is wrecked and in storage. That shunt was in the 05 WG Sprint. Very unfortunate and entirely avoidable if you ask me. We all sat there in the grid coughing while that bug killer was smoking away. One of my crew asked the scrut why he was letting that car on the track, and if he would be taking responsibility for the safety of other drivers. He just shrugged his shoulders. I had just passed that 968 on the previous lap and it just as easily could have been me.
I totally know what you mean about it "could have been me". I was slowly catching up to the 968 and Brett. Another lap or 2 and I would have been right behind them.
02-17-2007, 12:27 PM
#47
Rennlist Member
[QUOTE=38D]Bill the $40k car was def not yours. Weissach has your old car for $73k, which is about what you'd expect.
Hmmmm...... Just the car to terrorize D Class @ the Glen
Can't have too many 964 cups.
Hmmmm...... Just the car to terrorize D Class @ the Glen
Can't have too many 964 cups.
02-17-2007, 01:16 PM
#49
Nordschleife Master
Converting a USA Cup to a legal GTC-1 class car is not as easy as it may seem. One example is the springs and dampers are different between the two cars and the Euro Cup springs are NLA from Porsche. A USA Cup running the standard springs would be at a disadvantage compared to the Euro Cup.
02-17-2007, 01:58 PM
#50
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by Geoffrey
One example is the springs and dampers are different between the two cars and the Euro Cup springs are NLA from Porsche.
02-17-2007, 04:48 PM
#52
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by JC in NY
Good point. How are they doing it? You're not allowed to run a different spring in GTC-1, even if it is a disadvantage. So I wonder what the guy is using? My recommendation was to allow an "equivalent" single-rate spring.
02-17-2007, 05:21 PM
#53
Nordschleife Master
This is not a knock against the USA Cup, but I feel that GTC-1 belongs to the Euro Cup cars only since the two are vastly different cars when looking at the detail specifications. As far as making a run of the cup car springs, there hasn't been enough interest yet for me to move forward on them.
02-17-2007, 05:30 PM
#54
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Geoffrey
This is not a knock against the USA Cup, but I feel that GTC-1 belongs to the Euro Cup cars only since the two are vastly different cars when looking at the detail specifications. As far as making a run of the cup car springs, there hasn't been enough interest yet for me to move forward on them.
It is basically USA Cup = RS and RS <> Cup, right?
02-17-2007, 05:31 PM
#55
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by Geoffrey
This is not a knock against the USA Cup, but I feel that GTC-1 belongs to the Euro Cup cars only since the two are vastly different cars when looking at the detail specifications. As far as making a run of the cup car springs, there hasn't been enough interest yet for me to move forward on them.
Still, I'd like to know how that USA Cup was running in GTC-1 at Sebring. I'd like to know what suspension it was if anyone knows...
02-17-2007, 05:33 PM
#56
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by JC in NY
I don't see vast differences at all. I see vast similarities, and when converted to Cup race specifications - nearly identical.
Still, I'd like to know how that USA Cup was running in GTC-1 at Sebring. I'd like to know what suspension it was if anyone knows...
Still, I'd like to know how that USA Cup was running in GTC-1 at Sebring. I'd like to know what suspension it was if anyone knows...
02-17-2007, 06:03 PM
#57
Nordschleife Master
I don't know all of the differences, maybe "vastly" was an overstatement on my part. Don't forget that the Euro RS comes in 3 flavors with the NGT the closes to a Cup car but I'm not sure which the USA Cup was based off of. The USA Cup doesn't have the ABS panic switch or pressure cutoff switch as another example.
As far as allowing substitute parts into GTC-1, that brings up discussions on all sides. True there are some parts on the car which is 15 years old that will wear out and not be able to be replaced ie springs come to mind. So, what is one to do? Would linear rate springs be fair? I don't know. If they were faster and I had the stock setup, I'd be upset at now having to change my car from original configuration just to be competitive. On the other hand, using linear springs might be the only option available short of having springs made to original specifications (if you could even find them).
As far as allowing substitute parts into GTC-1, that brings up discussions on all sides. True there are some parts on the car which is 15 years old that will wear out and not be able to be replaced ie springs come to mind. So, what is one to do? Would linear rate springs be fair? I don't know. If they were faster and I had the stock setup, I'd be upset at now having to change my car from original configuration just to be competitive. On the other hand, using linear springs might be the only option available short of having springs made to original specifications (if you could even find them).
02-17-2007, 06:13 PM
#58
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Geoffrey
having springs made to original specifications (if you could even find them).
I would be really PO'd if I had to mod my car away from original to be competitive in a class that was supposed to be all original. GTC1 doesn't suffer the same year over year improvement issue that GTC3 has. That's one reason I like it!
Last edited by DrJupeman; 02-17-2007 at 07:18 PM.
02-17-2007, 06:27 PM
#59
Nordschleife Master
Duplicating springs is not as easy as that. Eibach is the original manufacturer of the spring. I spoke to their Germany office. They don't have the original specifications but could likely duplicate a set if I sent them one front and one rear. However, they want to see a minimum order of 50 sets.
