Should racers pay for damage they cause during a race?
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Originally Posted by Geo
Unnecessary? Implied lack of courtesy? I'm sorry, but you have to be kidding. What is discourteous? As long as somone isn't touching me, nor are they making me move over to avoid contact by moving themselves towards me, it's all cool. I simply don't see where the problem is. This is racing. Maybe my perspective is a bit skewed from racing karts for 8 years where 1/2" is racing room, and this with open wheels.
IMHO if the other person is in control and I'm in control we can race pretty darned close. If we are driving in a straight line (such as braking before a corner), what's the big deal? I can drive straight and I think the other guy can with no problems. As for someone taking the inside line and preventing turn-in, that's racing. I just don't get the objection.
IMHO if the other person is in control and I'm in control we can race pretty darned close. If we are driving in a straight line (such as braking before a corner), what's the big deal? I can drive straight and I think the other guy can with no problems. As for someone taking the inside line and preventing turn-in, that's racing. I just don't get the objection.
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Originally Posted by 38D
Being on the podium is really pretty meaningless in club racing.
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Originally Posted by 38D
My post was related to the "scrape the paint of the door handle" comment made earlier.
Originally Posted by 38D
Being on the podium is really pretty meaningless in club racing.
These represent very significant accomplishments and deserve (IMO) a lot more respect than your give them. You may personally feel it is meaningless but until you have really tried to acheive what you downplay, you have a pretty narrow view. Even at the lowest levels of club racing, it is an acheivment to win, place or show. Real racers put out 100% and that is why they race. If your goal is primarily to bring the car home in one piece, that is fine, but it is not full on racing when you hold that much back in reserve. Just IMO.
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Originally Posted by Professor Helmüt Tester
Some who don't would probably only say 'oh...that a$$hole !' if/when they found out.
Originally Posted by Professor Helmüt Tester
Mr. Sunday Driver knows my antics up close, and we've even raced together, but just once, I think...that weird ALMS/Trans-Am/Nat'l weekend at Mid-O a few years ago ? I'll claim I beat him....he'll claim he beat me...real story is that neither of us were on the podium.
While the exact order of our finish is debatable, we are in a consistent tie for podium position.
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" However, I see no need to purposely try to inimidate a person so I can get by them. If there is room, I give it. If there is not, I don't. If I don't know the person in front of me, I may not decide to take a risky pass. Call me conservative, but my main goal is to always take my car home in one piece. Being on the podium is really pretty meaningless in club racing."
Collin,
T-1 racing in SCCA is at least 50% intimidation. In my limited racing experience I will say that sticking to someone's bumper for awhile will usually cause a mistake big enough to allow a pass - that's intimidation and sometimes the only way around them in a spec class where the equipment is close to even. I love club racing and can understand your goal to keep your car together, my primary goal is to win. Besides, I just got a really nice pen and calculator in a fancy wood box for winning a regional race.(Don't tell the IRS)
Hardly meaningless.
Collin,
T-1 racing in SCCA is at least 50% intimidation. In my limited racing experience I will say that sticking to someone's bumper for awhile will usually cause a mistake big enough to allow a pass - that's intimidation and sometimes the only way around them in a spec class where the equipment is close to even. I love club racing and can understand your goal to keep your car together, my primary goal is to win. Besides, I just got a really nice pen and calculator in a fancy wood box for winning a regional race.(Don't tell the IRS)
Hardly meaningless.
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Originally Posted by SundayDriver
You may personally feel it is meaningless but until you have really tried to acheive what you downplay, you have a pretty narrow view. Even at the lowest levels of club racing, it is an acheivment to win, place or show. Real racers put out 100% and that is why they race. If your goal is primarily to bring the car home in one piece, that is fine, but it is not full on racing when you hold that much back in reserve. Just IMO.
I'll give you an example of what I am talking about. Last year, I went up to Lime Rock to watch the SCCA regionals. In the qualifying for the SRF, there was one car that was way faster than everyone. He pulled the whole field, and had caught the back markers after about 6 laps. He caught one guy really badly down the hill and tried to pass on the inside. The other guy didn't see him, turned into him and both cars went into the wall hard. In my view, he should have waited and done the pass down the main straight where the other guy would have had a better chance to see him. Instead, neither guy got to race that weekend.
Originally Posted by seege
T-1 racing in SCCA is at least 50% intimidation. In my limited racing experience I will say that sticking to someone's bumper for awhile will usually cause a mistake big enough to allow a pass - that's intimidation and sometimes the only way around them in a spec class where the equipment is close to even. I love club racing and can understand your goal to keep your car together, my primary goal is to win. Besides, I just got a really nice pen and calculator in a fancy wood box for winning a regional race.(Don't tell the IRS)
Hardly meaningless.
Hardly meaningless.
Btw, the 50% intimidation sounds exactly like some of the guys who would play in a basketball league I used to be in. Many of the guys were ex Div 1 players. Most were out to have fun, but a few would play like they thought a scout was gonna be there a sign them. It's not really necessary to throw an elbow in a friendly game just 'cause your flipping burgers instead of playing for the Knicks. (I am not implying you a a burger flipper). Btw, I don't consider following closely behind someone intimidation...that's just racing.