Audi 4:11 R/P for a 944NA
06-09-2005, 05:11 PM
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You may want to post this on the 944 Cup board (www.44cup.com). Lots of guys in the series are running this gear.
06-09-2005, 06:34 PM
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Jim, if you get that information, would you mind sharing it here? It won't be long now before I drop the drivetrain on my car and I have to install an LSD anyway, so installing the R/P at the same time might not be a bad idea.
06-10-2005, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark
Anyone tell me the part numbers for the Audi 4:11 R/P that will fit into a '87 944NA gearbox?
1984 Audi Coupe GT FWD had the 013 gearbox, and not as strong.
1985-87 Audi Coupe GT FWD had the 093 gearbox.
These both have the shifting rod exit out the rear unlike ours (016) which is up top and towards the front on the drivers side. I don't know off hand about the final gear ratios of these but can find out. I'd imagine they are 3:89s.
I'm going to dig a little more on this and check out my Audi ETKA for what year model uses the similar 016 (shift rod up top) but in FWD configuration. I think that it might be a bolt in situation... local bone yards here I come!
ps if we 944 drivers ever wanted a rear power take-off/prop, you could always bolt in a Audi 4000S quattro transmission and drill a hole through the spare tire carrier! Maybe for a 944Boat?
HTH,
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06-11-2005, 12:04 PM
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Audi 016 FWD gearboxes, ratios and final drives. Found this info here...
http://www.gt40club.com/technics.htm#Audiaxles
I would also say that any FWD type43 and type44 (Audi 5000 body style) should have the same 016 as we do. If you have an LSD unit like me in my early '84 box then I'd have to swap pumkins and readjust shims and R&P.
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http://www.gt40club.com/technics.htm#Audiaxles
I would also say that any FWD type43 and type44 (Audi 5000 body style) should have the same 016 as we do. If you have an LSD unit like me in my early '84 box then I'd have to swap pumkins and readjust shims and R&P.
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06-13-2005, 09:47 AM
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A friend of mine is doing it, as we speak. We got it out of a 88 Audi 5000. We was suppose to button it up this week, I will let you all know how it goes.
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06-13-2005, 06:58 PM
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Bill,
Was the R/P from a used gearbox or did your friend buy the unit from Audi? I'm going to get a hold of Audi tomorrow and see what the part numbers are. I will let everyone know what I find out.
Was the R/P from a used gearbox or did your friend buy the unit from Audi? I'm going to get a hold of Audi tomorrow and see what the part numbers are. I will let everyone know what I find out.
06-13-2005, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Rennwagen
Bill,
Did your friend replace the whole gearbox with the 1988 Audi 5000S FWD 016 unit or just the R&P? Curious...
TS
Did your friend replace the whole gearbox with the 1988 Audi 5000S FWD 016 unit or just the R&P? Curious...
TS
06-13-2005, 10:26 PM
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We just got the ring and pinion out of the Audi. I blew a ring and pinion year before last at the 10 hrs at Gingerman, so he just replaced the r&p in that 944 trans. By the way it was a 1985 944 trans, though I understand that the ring and pinion wil fit all 944's. He has had some trouble in getting it done, and though he tried to explain it to me, I'm too dumb to understand. I know it has something to do with setting the lash. When he gets it finished, I will post the details.
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06-14-2005, 11:09 AM
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I talked to Jud (The guy doing the r&p swap in a 1985 944 Trans) this morning. We can't tell you the part number because he threw the Audi transmission away after he took the R&P out of it. The particular one we have is out of a 1988 Audi 5000. To tell if it is the one you want, just take the side cover off, and count the teeth on the ring and the pinion, and divide. The answer should come out to approximately 4:11 to one.The thing he is having trouble with is setting the lash. We don't have the proper way to measure it, so he took machinest bluing and put it on the pinion of another transmission. He put it together and spun the trans, and then took the side case off and looked at the ring gear. The bluing was evenly distributed oover the ring gear. He then tried it with the Audi pinion. After he spun the trans gears, he took off the side case, and the bluing was on the inside third of the ring gear. Obviously the lash is not correct. He is going to shim the pinion, to try to get the bluing to be spread like the stock transmission he has. He will then install it and try the transmission out.
This is obviously not the best way to do it. But unless you want to pay someone $1,000 or so it's all we have. The transmission was free, and we paid $150 for the Audi Trans, so we don't have too much in the whole deal. If you are trying this on the only 944 trans you have, then I wouldn't recommend our method. I would pay someone that at least has a faint idea of what he is doing, unlike me and Jud.
A guy that helps Nort Northam in Orlando (407-647-1911) says he will install it for us for between $700 and $1,000. One tip though, be sure and start with a transmission that has the .83 fifth gear, which would be a 1987-88 924S or a 1988-89 944. Otherwise your fifth gear is too highly geared, especially for places like Daytona. We had an extra .83 fifth that we put in the 85 944 trans.
Hope this helps, but if you follow our advice, remember, you are being led by two blind guys.
Bill
This is obviously not the best way to do it. But unless you want to pay someone $1,000 or so it's all we have. The transmission was free, and we paid $150 for the Audi Trans, so we don't have too much in the whole deal. If you are trying this on the only 944 trans you have, then I wouldn't recommend our method. I would pay someone that at least has a faint idea of what he is doing, unlike me and Jud.
A guy that helps Nort Northam in Orlando (407-647-1911) says he will install it for us for between $700 and $1,000. One tip though, be sure and start with a transmission that has the .83 fifth gear, which would be a 1987-88 924S or a 1988-89 944. Otherwise your fifth gear is too highly geared, especially for places like Daytona. We had an extra .83 fifth that we put in the 85 944 trans.
Hope this helps, but if you follow our advice, remember, you are being led by two blind guys.
Bill
06-15-2005, 12:22 PM
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Bill,
You are coureageous! Using a used R&P - it'll go for a while but .... You could send the trans to Joe Cogbill in North Atlanta - he has the setup tools to set the R&P up properly. It's critical - if the pre-load is not set up properly it will wear out in no time. BTDT.
One way top get the p/n is to call David at Performance Imports in Atlanta. His number is 770-457-5550. He has sold it to me before. He has good prices so you should probably buy it from him too.
Timo
You are coureageous! Using a used R&P - it'll go for a while but .... You could send the trans to Joe Cogbill in North Atlanta - he has the setup tools to set the R&P up properly. It's critical - if the pre-load is not set up properly it will wear out in no time. BTDT.
One way top get the p/n is to call David at Performance Imports in Atlanta. His number is 770-457-5550. He has sold it to me before. He has good prices so you should probably buy it from him too.
Timo
06-15-2005, 01:13 PM
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Timo, Not realy that couragous, because right now we only have $150 in the whole thing. It will just be a matter of changing tranmissions to see if it works, and reswapping if it doesn't, which is likely. I think Joe is a little higher than that guy in Orlando. I have getting stuff from Joe for years, and he is on the high end, not that his stuff and work is not worth it. Joe is an good guy, I bought my 944S engine from him, had some minor issues, but we worked it out. If I was working with my only transmission, we wouldn't be doing this.
By the way, Joe probably sells the Audi R&P, as we know PAP stands for Porsche, Audi Parts. He would also be a good guy to call for advice on the swap, whether you do it yourself or not, he doesn't car, he will talk for hours if you want to. His phone number is 1-800-944-2964 extension 126.
Bill
By the way, Joe probably sells the Audi R&P, as we know PAP stands for Porsche, Audi Parts. He would also be a good guy to call for advice on the swap, whether you do it yourself or not, he doesn't car, he will talk for hours if you want to. His phone number is 1-800-944-2964 extension 126.
Bill